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The result was redirect to Heavy metal music. I'm going to leave this unprotected for now. If genre warring becomes a problem, we can readdress the question of protection. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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There is no genre called "traditional heavy metal", it's just heavy metal with an adjective added in the front to indicate a straight-ahead, early or classic heavy metal style rather than a later subgenre such as death metal. It's obvious that this article was formed to deal with the straight-ahead metal style all by itself rather than the other usage of the term "heavy metal" which is an umbrella for all the metal genres and subgenres. The fatal problem here is that the Heavy metal music article already covers the umbrella term and the classic heavy metal style, as well as touching upon the main subgenres. The sources here are misrepresented, for instance, the About.com article says that traditional heavy metal is the same genre put forward by the New wave of British heavy metal. It doesn't say that traditional heavy metal is its own genre. The book Sound of the Beast by Ian Christe says nothing at all about traditional heavy metal. The book Metal: The Definitive Guide by Garry Sharpe-Young uses adjective "traditional" all over the place, but without using it to define a separate genre. It even says "traditional thrash metal" on page 443 and 452, and "traditional death metal" on page 489. Nowhere in the book is "traditional heavy metal" defined as its own genre. So this article doesn't have a basis for existence in the sources, and its intended information is already found in the articles heavy metal music and new wave of British heavy metal. Binksternet ( talk) 03:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 04:10, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per a remarkably well-argued nomination (with a redirect to the "heavy metal music" article mentioned above, as this would seem a plausible search term). Unless there's a multiplicity of sources using the term consistently - and I'm not finding them either - there's really no article to be had here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to heavy metal music per preceding comment ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 13:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - per nomination. Would only support a redirect with some heavy page protection, as this is going to keep coming up with all the genre-warring that occurs on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 13:30, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Heavy metal music. I'm going to leave this unprotected for now. If genre warring becomes a problem, we can readdress the question of protection. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
- Traditional heavy metal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
There is no genre called "traditional heavy metal", it's just heavy metal with an adjective added in the front to indicate a straight-ahead, early or classic heavy metal style rather than a later subgenre such as death metal. It's obvious that this article was formed to deal with the straight-ahead metal style all by itself rather than the other usage of the term "heavy metal" which is an umbrella for all the metal genres and subgenres. The fatal problem here is that the Heavy metal music article already covers the umbrella term and the classic heavy metal style, as well as touching upon the main subgenres. The sources here are misrepresented, for instance, the About.com article says that traditional heavy metal is the same genre put forward by the New wave of British heavy metal. It doesn't say that traditional heavy metal is its own genre. The book Sound of the Beast by Ian Christe says nothing at all about traditional heavy metal. The book Metal: The Definitive Guide by Garry Sharpe-Young uses adjective "traditional" all over the place, but without using it to define a separate genre. It even says "traditional thrash metal" on page 443 and 452, and "traditional death metal" on page 489. Nowhere in the book is "traditional heavy metal" defined as its own genre. So this article doesn't have a basis for existence in the sources, and its intended information is already found in the articles heavy metal music and new wave of British heavy metal. Binksternet ( talk) 03:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 04:10, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per a remarkably well-argued nomination (with a redirect to the "heavy metal music" article mentioned above, as this would seem a plausible search term). Unless there's a multiplicity of sources using the term consistently - and I'm not finding them either - there's really no article to be had here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to heavy metal music per preceding comment ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 13:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - per nomination. Would only support a redirect with some heavy page protection, as this is going to keep coming up with all the genre-warring that occurs on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 13:30, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.