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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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Completely unsourced and WP:LISTCRUFT. There are already lists of populated places per state (i.e. List of populated places in Pennsylvania. There is no need for a summary only list of the top ten, which in effect doubles up content from other articles. Furthermore the author has a long history of creating bad articles (without using the AfC process) and edits that end up being reverted. Ajf773 ( talk) 21:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Merge with List of largest cities of U.S. states and territories by population, by populating it with data for the 6th to 10th most populous cities, if it can be done in a way that doesn't bloat the table too much. Perhaps this could be done by making a "summary table" of the 2 or 3 largest cities in each state, then a full table below the summary table with the full top tens. The current table at that page only covers the top five per state. I strongly disagree with the nominator's rationale. Deletion isn't cleanup, and if not for the existence of this semi-redundant pre-existing list as a merge topic, I'd be in favor of keeping the article. The fact that it's unsourced does not mean it should be deleted - city populations aren't a BLP or otherwise contentious topic where immediate sourcing is to be demanded, so the solution would be to fix it yourself by adding sources, as well as cleaning up the formatting and moving it to a title more in line with Wikipedia's title conventions. The list is not "cruft", and to my eye it doesn't clearly meet any of the twelve characteristics listed at WP:LISTCRUFT, which anyway is an essay, not a policy or guideline. The fact that List of largest cities of U.S. states and territories by population averages over 500 pageviews per day shows that there is in fact significant reader interest in the subject. CJK09 ( talk) 22:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is no justification for a merge. Why expand a top 5 list into a top 10 list using content that doesn't even corroborate with the article you intend to merge it to. Ajf773 ( talk) 20:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep I doesn't clearly meet the terms of WP:LISTCRUFT. I wouldn't say its a horrible list, and with 500 page views per day its by no means unpopular. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 12:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Are you even looking at the right article, this one was only created a few days ago. Ajf773 ( talk) 20:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, why "top 10", why not "top 3", "top 5", "top 20", "top 50"?, appears to be arbitrary. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The existing top 5 at List of largest cities of U.S. states and territories by population is satisfactory, but if that is desired to be extended there may be a discussion there. Individual state articles should also have a list of largest cities, and this is redundant to that as well. Reywas92 Talk 00:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per Reywas92. It's a redundant list with arbitrary parameters. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 20:43, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete or Merge per previous points.
- Delete Seems to be a duplication of already-existing state-level lists. I'm not sure what this one is supposed to accomplish. – dlthewave ☎ 03:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Cornellier ( talk) 12:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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Completely unsourced and WP:LISTCRUFT. There are already lists of populated places per state (i.e. List of populated places in Pennsylvania. There is no need for a summary only list of the top ten, which in effect doubles up content from other articles. Furthermore the author has a long history of creating bad articles (without using the AfC process) and edits that end up being reverted. Ajf773 ( talk) 21:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 21:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 ( talk) 21:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge with List of largest cities of U.S. states and territories by population, by populating it with data for the 6th to 10th most populous cities, if it can be done in a way that doesn't bloat the table too much. Perhaps this could be done by making a "summary table" of the 2 or 3 largest cities in each state, then a full table below the summary table with the full top tens. The current table at that page only covers the top five per state. I strongly disagree with the nominator's rationale. Deletion isn't cleanup, and if not for the existence of this semi-redundant pre-existing list as a merge topic, I'd be in favor of keeping the article. The fact that it's unsourced does not mean it should be deleted - city populations aren't a BLP or otherwise contentious topic where immediate sourcing is to be demanded, so the solution would be to fix it yourself by adding sources, as well as cleaning up the formatting and moving it to a title more in line with Wikipedia's title conventions. The list is not "cruft", and to my eye it doesn't clearly meet any of the twelve characteristics listed at WP:LISTCRUFT, which anyway is an essay, not a policy or guideline. The fact that List of largest cities of U.S. states and territories by population averages over 500 pageviews per day shows that there is in fact significant reader interest in the subject. CJK09 ( talk) 22:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is no justification for a merge. Why expand a top 5 list into a top 10 list using content that doesn't even corroborate with the article you intend to merge it to. Ajf773 ( talk) 20:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep I doesn't clearly meet the terms of WP:LISTCRUFT. I wouldn't say its a horrible list, and with 500 page views per day its by no means unpopular. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 12:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Are you even looking at the right article, this one was only created a few days ago. Ajf773 ( talk) 20:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, why "top 10", why not "top 3", "top 5", "top 20", "top 50"?, appears to be arbitrary. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The existing top 5 at List of largest cities of U.S. states and territories by population is satisfactory, but if that is desired to be extended there may be a discussion there. Individual state articles should also have a list of largest cities, and this is redundant to that as well. Reywas92 Talk 00:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per Reywas92. It's a redundant list with arbitrary parameters. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 20:43, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 10:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge per previous points.
- Delete Seems to be a duplication of already-existing state-level lists. I'm not sure what this one is supposed to accomplish. – dlthewave ☎ 03:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Cornellier ( talk) 12:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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