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The result was delete. The one "keep" does not address the reasons given for deletion. Sandstein 15:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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The page Tomesode is an unsourced, unneeded and useless fork from the Kimono article.
Firstly - it's a confusement (I don't know the proper word). Tomesode means short sleeve, but tomesode aren't, confusingly, a type of kimono. Kurotomesode are. So are irotomesode. But tomesode aren't. It's just a descriptor for sleeve length, used as a suffix for other varieties of kimono. It's not a variety of kimono proper - not notable enough to have its own article like, say, Furisode.
Secondly - it's a pointless fork. There's no information on this article that doesn't fall under the short sections included for kurotomesode and irotomesode on the section Kimono#Types of kimono proper at the minute, or that could not be merged in. The fact that it's entirely unreferenced also makes this information doubly pointless.
I'm trying to clean up the articles surrounding kimono and traditional arts and culture, and there's no reason for this page's existence. It's time for it, in the infamous words of a certain Arsenal fan, to go. Ineffablebookkeeper ( talk) 11:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 April 11. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 12:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 12:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Kimono; I think that could have been tried here before having a deletion discussion. I agree that the current article doesn't need to be retained. Dekimasu よ! 13:05, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 14:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Because Jawiki article ja:留袖 stays single article for a long while. They can expand by this translating from Jawiki.-- Kyuri1449 ( talk) 12:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- There's no need to expand on it, though - the information on the Japanese Wikipedia can be taken and placed in the main Kimono article under the relevant sections. Just because Jawiki has an article on it, it doesn't mean that we have to have one, too, if there are options for article structure that suit it better. -- Ineffablebookkeeper ( talk) 19:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, b uidh e 21:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The one "keep" does not address the reasons given for deletion. Sandstein 15:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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The page Tomesode is an unsourced, unneeded and useless fork from the Kimono article.
Firstly - it's a confusement (I don't know the proper word). Tomesode means short sleeve, but tomesode aren't, confusingly, a type of kimono. Kurotomesode are. So are irotomesode. But tomesode aren't. It's just a descriptor for sleeve length, used as a suffix for other varieties of kimono. It's not a variety of kimono proper - not notable enough to have its own article like, say, Furisode.
Secondly - it's a pointless fork. There's no information on this article that doesn't fall under the short sections included for kurotomesode and irotomesode on the section Kimono#Types of kimono proper at the minute, or that could not be merged in. The fact that it's entirely unreferenced also makes this information doubly pointless.
I'm trying to clean up the articles surrounding kimono and traditional arts and culture, and there's no reason for this page's existence. It's time for it, in the infamous words of a certain Arsenal fan, to go. Ineffablebookkeeper ( talk) 11:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 April 11. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 12:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 12:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Kimono; I think that could have been tried here before having a deletion discussion. I agree that the current article doesn't need to be retained. Dekimasu よ! 13:05, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 14:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Because Jawiki article ja:留袖 stays single article for a long while. They can expand by this translating from Jawiki.-- Kyuri1449 ( talk) 12:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- There's no need to expand on it, though - the information on the Japanese Wikipedia can be taken and placed in the main Kimono article under the relevant sections. Just because Jawiki has an article on it, it doesn't mean that we have to have one, too, if there are options for article structure that suit it better. -- Ineffablebookkeeper ( talk) 19:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, b uidh e 21:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.