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The result was delete. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 20:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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routine news item, BIO:ONEEVENT. The first woman pilot in the Nigerian Air Force ( Blessing Liman) might possibly be notable, but going beyond this into various specialities is getting indiscriminate. DGG ( talk ) 00:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete but if anyone wishes, the names of the first few female pilots can also be added, with the references, to Nigerian Air Force. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Mztourist ( talk) 05:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- keepi have gone through this article and checked information on Nigerian women who are flying in the Nigerian Air Force. while ( Blessing Liman) is the first female pilot in Nigerian Air Force, she does not fly a fighter aircraft. I found this from the explanation of the spokesman of Nigerian Air Force Air Commodore Ibikunle Daramola in reference No 11 in the article. I think that what will be notable in this circumstance, being an air force, are officers that fly fighter aircraft and not officers that fly any aircraft because there are other women who are pilots in Nigeria but flying commercial aircraft. Tolulope is said to be the first to fly a fighter helicopter in Nigerian Air Force. I therefore think that Kafayat Sanni being the first to fly a fighter jet and Tolulope Arotile being the first to fly a fighter military helicopter are more notable than Blessing Liman. Consequently, I propose that these articles should not be deleted. -- Obihoja ( talk) 09:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The first female helicopter pilot in an air force is certainly notable. I don't think there would be any question of keeping her if she served in the air forces of the UK, USA, Canada, etc. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
14:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not first female helicopter pilot in the NAF, "first female combat helicopter pilot" and no I don't see that there are equivalent pages for that for UK, USA or Canada.
Mztourist (
talk)
08:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sources seem to say she was the first female helicopter pilot, but even if she was the first combat helicopter pilot she'd be notable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. Lack of an article at the moment (if there is such a lack; see
Nicky Smith (RAF officer) for instance) doesn't equate to lack of an article ever. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- The sources are conflicting, some say she is the first female helicopter pilot, others (including the NAF) state that she is the first female combat helicopter pilot. Nicky Smith (RAF officer) was the first female RAF helicopter pilot and the first female to command an RAF squadron, while neither alone satisfies WP:SOLDIER the combination arguably meets WP:GNG. Pages for "First female combat helicopter pilot" don't exist for the UK, US or Canada and nor should they unless they acheive something more notable Mztourist ( talk) 04:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sources seem to say she was the first female helicopter pilot, but even if she was the first combat helicopter pilot she'd be notable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. Lack of an article at the moment (if there is such a lack; see
Nicky Smith (RAF officer) for instance) doesn't equate to lack of an article ever. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not first female helicopter pilot in the NAF, "first female combat helicopter pilot" and no I don't see that there are equivalent pages for that for UK, USA or Canada.
Mztourist (
talk)
08:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete coverage on Nigerian Air Force should be sufficient, no need for dedicated page. Ckfasdf ( talk) 06:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete It is time to end this every increasing numbers of first x to do y. The amounts of y are already getting towards the ludicrous, the amounts of potentail first xs we have seen are also way too large. If I get myself elected to the Detroit Board of Police comissioners can I get an article on being both the first white man with a black wife and first member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints elected to that board, or are only some types of first x approved. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per Necrothesp as the subject also passes WP:ANYBIO. Ptinphusmia ( talk) 21:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — Johnpacklambert’s rationale pretty much sums it up. Celestina007 ( talk) 00:28, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, per JPL. Being the first X to do Y only confers notability if a sufficient amount of reliable sources write about the situation, over a period of time (ie, the coverage persists past the level of being a news item). It doesn't confer notability in and of itself. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 03:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 20:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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routine news item, BIO:ONEEVENT. The first woman pilot in the Nigerian Air Force ( Blessing Liman) might possibly be notable, but going beyond this into various specialities is getting indiscriminate. DGG ( talk ) 00:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete but if anyone wishes, the names of the first few female pilots can also be added, with the references, to Nigerian Air Force. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Mztourist ( talk) 05:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- keepi have gone through this article and checked information on Nigerian women who are flying in the Nigerian Air Force. while ( Blessing Liman) is the first female pilot in Nigerian Air Force, she does not fly a fighter aircraft. I found this from the explanation of the spokesman of Nigerian Air Force Air Commodore Ibikunle Daramola in reference No 11 in the article. I think that what will be notable in this circumstance, being an air force, are officers that fly fighter aircraft and not officers that fly any aircraft because there are other women who are pilots in Nigeria but flying commercial aircraft. Tolulope is said to be the first to fly a fighter helicopter in Nigerian Air Force. I therefore think that Kafayat Sanni being the first to fly a fighter jet and Tolulope Arotile being the first to fly a fighter military helicopter are more notable than Blessing Liman. Consequently, I propose that these articles should not be deleted. -- Obihoja ( talk) 09:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The first female helicopter pilot in an air force is certainly notable. I don't think there would be any question of keeping her if she served in the air forces of the UK, USA, Canada, etc. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
14:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not first female helicopter pilot in the NAF, "first female combat helicopter pilot" and no I don't see that there are equivalent pages for that for UK, USA or Canada.
Mztourist (
talk)
08:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sources seem to say she was the first female helicopter pilot, but even if she was the first combat helicopter pilot she'd be notable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. Lack of an article at the moment (if there is such a lack; see
Nicky Smith (RAF officer) for instance) doesn't equate to lack of an article ever. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- The sources are conflicting, some say she is the first female helicopter pilot, others (including the NAF) state that she is the first female combat helicopter pilot. Nicky Smith (RAF officer) was the first female RAF helicopter pilot and the first female to command an RAF squadron, while neither alone satisfies WP:SOLDIER the combination arguably meets WP:GNG. Pages for "First female combat helicopter pilot" don't exist for the UK, US or Canada and nor should they unless they acheive something more notable Mztourist ( talk) 04:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sources seem to say she was the first female helicopter pilot, but even if she was the first combat helicopter pilot she'd be notable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. Lack of an article at the moment (if there is such a lack; see
Nicky Smith (RAF officer) for instance) doesn't equate to lack of an article ever. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not first female helicopter pilot in the NAF, "first female combat helicopter pilot" and no I don't see that there are equivalent pages for that for UK, USA or Canada.
Mztourist (
talk)
08:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete coverage on Nigerian Air Force should be sufficient, no need for dedicated page. Ckfasdf ( talk) 06:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete It is time to end this every increasing numbers of first x to do y. The amounts of y are already getting towards the ludicrous, the amounts of potentail first xs we have seen are also way too large. If I get myself elected to the Detroit Board of Police comissioners can I get an article on being both the first white man with a black wife and first member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints elected to that board, or are only some types of first x approved. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per Necrothesp as the subject also passes WP:ANYBIO. Ptinphusmia ( talk) 21:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — Johnpacklambert’s rationale pretty much sums it up. Celestina007 ( talk) 00:28, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, per JPL. Being the first X to do Y only confers notability if a sufficient amount of reliable sources write about the situation, over a period of time (ie, the coverage persists past the level of being a news item). It doesn't confer notability in and of itself. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 03:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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