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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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This may be a topic worthy of a "timeline" article, but this just isn't the article we should have.
- Somewhat redundant to the more well-written History of zoophilia article
- Created and edited almost exclusively by a sockpuppet account
- A great many of the sources do not meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source
- The writing is in some places, just bad i.e. "making bestiality a capital punishment" which is just backwards, in other places it is somewhat deceptive, as in "<jurisdiction> legalized bestiality." In pretty much every case what happened was a repeal of sodomy laws, which had the unintended side effect of effectively legalizing beastiality.
These problems are so prevalent throughout the article that I feel this is the rare case where it would be better to simply delete the whole thing than to try and fix it. If a good-faith user who isn't apparently interested in normalizing raping animals wants to re-create it without these problems that's fine. As it stands now this is an embarrassment. Beeblebrox ( talk) 18:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. AdoTang ( talk) 20:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge with the History of zoophilia as per WP:REDUNDANTFORK. I can't find any guidance on when a timeline counts as redundant / when one should be created. Does wikipedia have one? There seem to be lots of redundant timelines on Wikipedia that are uncontested. But it seems like this timeline doesn't add too much. If this is not a Redundantfork, keep and cleanup. None of the other problems the articles has are WP:DEL-REASONs. I'd say most of the refs do meet WP:RS (books, laws). History of zoophilia is not necessarily better written. e. g. it seems to be wrong about the first criminalisation, as per Timeline: "c. 1,750 BCE – The Code of Hammurabi is written and in the code, King Hammurabi of the Paleo-Babylonian Empire proclaims capital punishment for anyone engaging in bestiality.[1]" ([1] being an RS book). This issue is mostly a question of cleaning up misleading wording, maybe WP:OR, and unsourced stuff (like the bizarre mention of death by horse penis). Need for clean up doesn't warrant deletion. -- Trimton ( talk) 20:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per the points raised by Beeblebrox. The article was created by and the majority of the content came from a sockpuppet who had a clear pro-zoophilia/bestiality POV to push. The sock had issues of disruptive editing and adding WP:OR to zoophilia-related articles, so I'm skeptical of the sources and content that's currently in the timeline one. Better to just delete it all instead of merging dubious content into another article. Some1 ( talk) 00:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sandstein 19:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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- Timeline of zoophilia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This may be a topic worthy of a "timeline" article, but this just isn't the article we should have.
- Somewhat redundant to the more well-written History of zoophilia article
- Created and edited almost exclusively by a sockpuppet account
- A great many of the sources do not meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source
- The writing is in some places, just bad i.e. "making bestiality a capital punishment" which is just backwards, in other places it is somewhat deceptive, as in "<jurisdiction> legalized bestiality." In pretty much every case what happened was a repeal of sodomy laws, which had the unintended side effect of effectively legalizing beastiality.
These problems are so prevalent throughout the article that I feel this is the rare case where it would be better to simply delete the whole thing than to try and fix it. If a good-faith user who isn't apparently interested in normalizing raping animals wants to re-create it without these problems that's fine. As it stands now this is an embarrassment. Beeblebrox ( talk) 18:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. AdoTang ( talk) 20:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge with the History of zoophilia as per WP:REDUNDANTFORK. I can't find any guidance on when a timeline counts as redundant / when one should be created. Does wikipedia have one? There seem to be lots of redundant timelines on Wikipedia that are uncontested. But it seems like this timeline doesn't add too much. If this is not a Redundantfork, keep and cleanup. None of the other problems the articles has are WP:DEL-REASONs. I'd say most of the refs do meet WP:RS (books, laws). History of zoophilia is not necessarily better written. e. g. it seems to be wrong about the first criminalisation, as per Timeline: "c. 1,750 BCE – The Code of Hammurabi is written and in the code, King Hammurabi of the Paleo-Babylonian Empire proclaims capital punishment for anyone engaging in bestiality.[1]" ([1] being an RS book). This issue is mostly a question of cleaning up misleading wording, maybe WP:OR, and unsourced stuff (like the bizarre mention of death by horse penis). Need for clean up doesn't warrant deletion. -- Trimton ( talk) 20:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per the points raised by Beeblebrox. The article was created by and the majority of the content came from a sockpuppet who had a clear pro-zoophilia/bestiality POV to push. The sock had issues of disruptive editing and adding WP:OR to zoophilia-related articles, so I'm skeptical of the sources and content that's currently in the timeline one. Better to just delete it all instead of merging dubious content into another article. Some1 ( talk) 00:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.