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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with no remaining deletion proposals. Splitting the article can be discussed on the article talkpage. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:56, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Third Order of Saint Francis
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This month is a GoCE drive, and the nominated article was in the copyedit backlog. After completing the asked task in the copyedit template (removing links from section headers), I continued with a general copyedit, as in my prelim copyedit I noticed some readability issues. Part of the way through my copyedit, I realized that the nominated article is mostly a list of regional branches of the third order (most of whom have their own pages), and the two large subsections of the order each have their own pages:
Third Order Regulars and
Secular Franciscan Order. This made me concerned that the nominated article is nothing but a
WP:REDUNDANTFORK, and a large one at that.
Epikourios Alitheia
talk 00:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC) Withdrawn Mannanan97 suggests a much better pathway for this article to grow.
Epikourios Alitheia
talk 14:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Epikourios Alitheia talk 00:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - the edits have improved the article, and that's great - but this topic is clearly notable, an entire branch of the largest church on the planet, comprising many orders with large scale and wide activities, and is referenced to support this. It is not some abstract concept, the Third Order of Frances is well-established over centuries. What I agree someone does need to do, perhaps, is to rebalance this article for the overall Third Order and the articles on the two big sub-divisions (Regular and Secular), and in turn any lists of the individual orders (in those three articles or elsewhere), as well as the individual order articles - but this in no way means that we don't need some kind of article on the overall Third Order. Extending the same logic we could argue to skip the article on Roman Catholicism because we have an article on Christianity... and I don't think we need to go there. SeoR ( talk) 11:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - the article gives a general overview of the Franciscan Third Order (apparently the largest of the Third Orders), describing the two different types with links to the respective Mains. The largest section appears to concern the religious sisters, which indicates their expansion in the 18th century and subsequent compression in the 20th. As these women were among those who initiated most of the social services in America, I think it's worthy of note. I do not see this as a REDUNDANTFORK, nor find which specific policy deletion would fall under. An alternative approach might be to split the American women religious third order regular communities into an article similar to Dominican Order in the United States. Manannan67 ( talk) 03:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with no remaining deletion proposals. Splitting the article can be discussed on the article talkpage. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:56, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Third Order of Saint Francis
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- Third Order of Saint Francis ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This month is a GoCE drive, and the nominated article was in the copyedit backlog. After completing the asked task in the copyedit template (removing links from section headers), I continued with a general copyedit, as in my prelim copyedit I noticed some readability issues. Part of the way through my copyedit, I realized that the nominated article is mostly a list of regional branches of the third order (most of whom have their own pages), and the two large subsections of the order each have their own pages:
Third Order Regulars and
Secular Franciscan Order. This made me concerned that the nominated article is nothing but a
WP:REDUNDANTFORK, and a large one at that.
Epikourios Alitheia
talk 00:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC) Withdrawn Mannanan97 suggests a much better pathway for this article to grow.
Epikourios Alitheia
talk 14:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Epikourios Alitheia talk 00:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - the edits have improved the article, and that's great - but this topic is clearly notable, an entire branch of the largest church on the planet, comprising many orders with large scale and wide activities, and is referenced to support this. It is not some abstract concept, the Third Order of Frances is well-established over centuries. What I agree someone does need to do, perhaps, is to rebalance this article for the overall Third Order and the articles on the two big sub-divisions (Regular and Secular), and in turn any lists of the individual orders (in those three articles or elsewhere), as well as the individual order articles - but this in no way means that we don't need some kind of article on the overall Third Order. Extending the same logic we could argue to skip the article on Roman Catholicism because we have an article on Christianity... and I don't think we need to go there. SeoR ( talk) 11:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - the article gives a general overview of the Franciscan Third Order (apparently the largest of the Third Orders), describing the two different types with links to the respective Mains. The largest section appears to concern the religious sisters, which indicates their expansion in the 18th century and subsequent compression in the 20th. As these women were among those who initiated most of the social services in America, I think it's worthy of note. I do not see this as a REDUNDANTFORK, nor find which specific policy deletion would fall under. An alternative approach might be to split the American women religious third order regular communities into an article similar to Dominican Order in the United States. Manannan67 ( talk) 03:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.