The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. This was obviously a very stupid way to have created a nomination, I will revisit this by creating separate nominations for articles like I have done so in the past. ( non-admin closure)‎ Karnataka ( talk) 19:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC) reply

The Mistress and the Maids

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Not notable for its own episode article, sources provided are just another database of all episodes. I am also nominating the following pages for deletion:

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are not notable for an episode article:

• " Board Wages"
• " The Path of Duty"
• " A Suitable Marriage"
• " A Cry for Help"
• " Magic Casements"
• " I Dies from Love"
• " Why Is Her Door Locked?"
• " A Voice from the Past"
• " The Swedish Tiger"
• " The Key of the Door"
• " For Love of Love"
• " The New Man"
• " A Pair of Exiles"
• " Married Love"
• " Whom God Hath Joined..."
• " Guest of Honour"
• " The Property of a Lady"
• " Your Obedient Servant"
• " Out of the Everywhere"
• " An Object of Value"
• " A Special Mischief"
• " The Wages of Sin"
• " A Family Gathering"* " Miss Forrest"
• " A House Divided"
• " A Change of Scene"
• " A Family Secret"
• " Rose's Pigeon"
• " Desirous of Change"
• " Word of Honour"
• " The Bolter"
• " Goodwill to All Men"
• " What the Footman Saw"
• " A Perfect Stranger"
• " Distant Thunder"
• " The Sudden Storm"
• " A Patriotic Offering"
• " News from the Front"
• " The Beastly Hun"
• " Women Shall Not Weep"
• " Tug of War"
• " Home Fires"
• " If You Were the Only Girl in the World"
• " The Glorious Dead"
• " Another Year"
• " The Hero's Farewell"
• " Missing Believed Killed"
• " Facing Fearful Odds"
• " Peace Out of Pain"
• " On with the Dance"
• " A Place in the World"
• " Laugh a Little Louder Please"
• " The Joy Ride"
• " Wanted – A Good Home"
• " An Old Flame"
• " Disillusion"
• " Such a Lovely Man"
• " The Nine Days Wonder"
• " The Understudy"
• " Alberto"
• " Will Ye No Come Back Again"
• " Joke Over"
• " Noblesse Oblige"
• " All the King's Horses"
• " Whither Shall I Wander?" Karnataka ( talk) 06:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United Kingdom. Karnataka ( talk) 06:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep all No argument for BEFORE, and it would be quite unusual if all of these episodes were adequately researched before nomination and the significant effort to do so wasn't mentioned. Even if the episodes were NN, which has not been established, then merging to series or show would be an appropriate ATD, something the nominator doesn't consider. Jclemens ( talk) 06:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC) reply
  • On a quick search of the last episode listed, this academic paper mentions it by name, although I lack enough access to see how detailed a view it is. Obviously something that would have been caught in a BEFORE search for Whither Shall I Wander? if the false positives had been winnowed down to exclude poetry. Jclemens ( talk) 06:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep all Agreed. Plus many of these articles have other associated information which makes this series of episode articles all the more notable. Rillington ( talk) 18:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• Oppose mass deletion - I think each of these articles needs to be looked at on its own merits. Upstairs Downstairs is one of the most significant British Television dramas of the 1970s, and indeed it enjoyed success well beyond the UK, and some of the episodes have had much discussion before and since. Some were nominated for major awards - eg Another Year saw Alfred Shaughnessy nominated for a writing Emmy Award. I would agree that some of the articles as they stand have problems (many needing additional sources) and I suspect there are some where it could be argued that a full article is not needed, but I would respectfully suggest that a deletion discussion on each specific article is the place for that to be discussed and decided. Dunarc ( talk) 20:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  I completely agree, my mistake was bundling the nomination together. When this closes (most likely keep) I'll review each further and nominate the articles here individually as it is clearly mentioned here in discussion that not all episodes may meet the notability guideline for episodes. Another appropriate solution like one suggestion is to group these into season articles and keep the notable episodes as stand-alone articles. Karnataka ( talk) 19:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  Thanks. I think that is a good way to go. There are certainly some episodes that are not going to meet notability and others that will be borderline at best, so season articles would be useful. Dunarc ( talk) 20:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC) reply

  I completely agree. These episode articles have useful information and I see no reason to delete them. Transonic Crayon ( talk) 23:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.