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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000 (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
The Kingdom Series
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Non-notable self-published series by non-notable author. Orange Mike | Talk 08:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep It's true the first four books were self-published. They were so successful (in the top ten best-sellers list, according to the Christian Booksellers Association for Christian Youth Literature for the month of December 2008) that Black was signed to Multnomah Publishing in 2008.
Source: Williston Herald and
Grand Forks Herald. Even though sourcing is mostly local. There is national sourcing such as
Focus on the Family and
The Old Schoolhouse Magazine. --
GreenC 18:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- reply - so they appeared on a specialized minority bestseller list for a single month; and have been reviewed in a couple of publications, one not known for literary reviews and the other highly obscure. Still no case here for actual notability under
WP:BOOK. --
Orange Mike |
Talk 06:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC).
- I disagree. Christian books are their own genre, they are not "minorities", we don't discriminate, the sources are appropriate for the subject matter. -- GreenC 16:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- reply - so they appeared on a specialized minority bestseller list for a single month; and have been reviewed in a couple of publications, one not known for literary reviews and the other highly obscure. Still no case here for actual notability under
WP:BOOK. --
Orange Mike |
Talk 06:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC).
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- Keep I'm not familiar with this series, but looking at the sources, I agree that that sources are appropriate for the subject and seem to pass WP:Source and WP:BKCRIT. Additional reliable sources could be added without much difficulty. I have some familiarity with the publishing industry and this series appears to have far better sales, reviews, and press than most self-published works (at least from what a google search can reveal). The Christian book genre is not a "minority" genre. Edit Ferret ( talk) 19:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000 (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
The Kingdom Series
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Non-notable self-published series by non-notable author. Orange Mike | Talk 08:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep It's true the first four books were self-published. They were so successful (in the top ten best-sellers list, according to the Christian Booksellers Association for Christian Youth Literature for the month of December 2008) that Black was signed to Multnomah Publishing in 2008.
Source: Williston Herald and
Grand Forks Herald. Even though sourcing is mostly local. There is national sourcing such as
Focus on the Family and
The Old Schoolhouse Magazine. --
GreenC 18:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- reply - so they appeared on a specialized minority bestseller list for a single month; and have been reviewed in a couple of publications, one not known for literary reviews and the other highly obscure. Still no case here for actual notability under
WP:BOOK. --
Orange Mike |
Talk 06:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC).
- I disagree. Christian books are their own genre, they are not "minorities", we don't discriminate, the sources are appropriate for the subject matter. -- GreenC 16:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- reply - so they appeared on a specialized minority bestseller list for a single month; and have been reviewed in a couple of publications, one not known for literary reviews and the other highly obscure. Still no case here for actual notability under
WP:BOOK. --
Orange Mike |
Talk 06:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC).
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 00:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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- Keep I'm not familiar with this series, but looking at the sources, I agree that that sources are appropriate for the subject and seem to pass WP:Source and WP:BKCRIT. Additional reliable sources could be added without much difficulty. I have some familiarity with the publishing industry and this series appears to have far better sales, reviews, and press than most self-published works (at least from what a google search can reveal). The Christian book genre is not a "minority" genre. Edit Ferret ( talk) 19:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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