- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 02:41, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- The Colonel (Monty Python) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This article was tagged for notability last month. I have had a good dig round for sources, but I can't find anything that talks about The Colonel beyond just a passing reference when talking about Graham Chapman. Because the title needs to be disambiguated, I can't consider a redirect to that article. At best, I could hope for a footnote in Colonel (disambiguation). Even so, it means we can't have an article here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Comment could merge to List of recurring Monty Python's Flying Circus characters#The Colonel which already discusses the character. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 10:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions OccultZone ( Talk) 12:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions OccultZone ( Talk) 13:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Question. I don't understand why there would be a disambiguation problem; if we merge this as Colapeninsula suggests, can't we just change the target of the existing disambiguation at The Colonel?-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 13:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- That's not an issue, but you would then not merge anything, and my choice would not be to leave "The Colonel (Monty Python)" as a redirect term, which leaves "delete" as the only remaining option. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:08, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, subject to probable merge. The Colonel is a iconic Python character, and certainly sources exist that discuss the character in those terms. I've added a few. [1] [2] [3] Having said that, I think merge/redirect is fine, unless and until there's too much material to fit in the list. I can't agree that the redirect should to be deleted: this item is already listed on the appropriate disambiguation page, and per WP:CHEAP I don't think there's any need to get rid of it. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 17:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep It's easy to find significant coverage which confirms the character's importance in the structure of the show. For example "The Colonel is again acting as the arbiter of good taste, and also -- as a replacement for a punchline or a traditional link -- he is a transitionary tool. His outbursts remind the viewer of the constructedness of the performance, of its artificiality, and of the fact that it can be directed and re-directed by the characters and elements within the diegetic world. This narrative chicanery is the Pythons' tilting at Auntie BBC -- the ancien régime of Light Entertainment to be rebelled against -- and will come to characterize the narrative structure of Flying Circus." Andrew ( talk) 17:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - In universe fictional character, not the subject of multiple pieces of independent published coverage. RIP Graham. Carrite ( talk) 04:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by Arxiloxos. I tried to withdraw this AfD but was reverted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 02:41, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- The Colonel (Monty Python) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This article was tagged for notability last month. I have had a good dig round for sources, but I can't find anything that talks about The Colonel beyond just a passing reference when talking about Graham Chapman. Because the title needs to be disambiguated, I can't consider a redirect to that article. At best, I could hope for a footnote in Colonel (disambiguation). Even so, it means we can't have an article here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Comment could merge to List of recurring Monty Python's Flying Circus characters#The Colonel which already discusses the character. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 10:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions OccultZone ( Talk) 12:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions OccultZone ( Talk) 13:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Question. I don't understand why there would be a disambiguation problem; if we merge this as Colapeninsula suggests, can't we just change the target of the existing disambiguation at The Colonel?-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 13:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- That's not an issue, but you would then not merge anything, and my choice would not be to leave "The Colonel (Monty Python)" as a redirect term, which leaves "delete" as the only remaining option. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:08, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, subject to probable merge. The Colonel is a iconic Python character, and certainly sources exist that discuss the character in those terms. I've added a few. [1] [2] [3] Having said that, I think merge/redirect is fine, unless and until there's too much material to fit in the list. I can't agree that the redirect should to be deleted: this item is already listed on the appropriate disambiguation page, and per WP:CHEAP I don't think there's any need to get rid of it. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 17:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep It's easy to find significant coverage which confirms the character's importance in the structure of the show. For example "The Colonel is again acting as the arbiter of good taste, and also -- as a replacement for a punchline or a traditional link -- he is a transitionary tool. His outbursts remind the viewer of the constructedness of the performance, of its artificiality, and of the fact that it can be directed and re-directed by the characters and elements within the diegetic world. This narrative chicanery is the Pythons' tilting at Auntie BBC -- the ancien régime of Light Entertainment to be rebelled against -- and will come to characterize the narrative structure of Flying Circus." Andrew ( talk) 17:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - In universe fictional character, not the subject of multiple pieces of independent published coverage. RIP Graham. Carrite ( talk) 04:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by Arxiloxos. I tried to withdraw this AfD but was reverted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.