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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Dissidentplasterer ( talk) 22:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Outside of defining the Thames Valley, this article is mainly a list of locations that are ostensibly within the Thames Valley. Notability due to the economy of the area is commonly attributed to the M4 Corridor instead (as demonstrated by the article on the subject). The subject of the Thames Valley is well-enough served by the disambiguation page. Dissidentplasterer ( talk) 18:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:38, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. The use of the term "Thames Valley" long pre-dates the M4, although clearly the area overlaps with the M4 corridor, which is a much more recent term and covers an area extending much further westwards (as far as Swansea, perhaps). There are multiple published sources naming the Thames Valley - examples here. Although clearly the valley can easily be defined technically in geographical terms, the term is often used more loosely. But, the fact that there is no one single definition does not mean that there should not be an article about it - many ill-defined areas (such as the West Country) also have articles. The article itself is quite poor and needs to be properly referenced - but that is a reason to improve it, not delete it. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 19:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- In fact, I think there's a good argument for that article not existing either - it's mainly just a list of things with "West Country" in the name, and "West Country" is essentially synonymous with the South West of England. The argument that the article could be improved, however, is predicated on the idea that there is something distinctly notable to say about it. --
Dissidentplasterer (
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19:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- While the "South West" and the "West Country" are basically synonyms, the article South West of England is about the defined local government region. That strictly defined region is not synonymous with the fuzzy concept. The West Country could mean anything from just Devon and Cornwall to even including Herefordshire, but thoe alternative definitions have no place in an article about the region. Northern England is similarly poorly defined, but its article is currently at FAC. The lack of a single solid definition doesn't prevent a good article being written.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 21:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- In fact, I think there's a good argument for that article not existing either - it's mainly just a list of things with "West Country" in the name, and "West Country" is essentially synonymous with the South West of England. The argument that the article could be improved, however, is predicated on the idea that there is something distinctly notable to say about it. --
Dissidentplasterer (
talk)
19:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There about 176 pages which link to Thames Valley, and in itself that suggests it is a notable concept. They would have to be changed if the article was deleted. JonH ( talk) 20:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep The Thames Valley certainly exists as a distinct area within England, and is quite distinct from the M4 corridor (South Wales, Bristol and Bath are part of the M4 corridor but not within the Thames Valley). Aside from the valley of the actual river, the business district and the National Character Area are significant and those last two links could be used to substantially flesh out the article. The police area and the water authority area could also be discussed, and I'm sure there's other uses too.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 21:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, this I can work with. Closing -- Dissidentplasterer ( talk) 22:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Dissidentplasterer ( talk) 22:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thames Valley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Outside of defining the Thames Valley, this article is mainly a list of locations that are ostensibly within the Thames Valley. Notability due to the economy of the area is commonly attributed to the M4 Corridor instead (as demonstrated by the article on the subject). The subject of the Thames Valley is well-enough served by the disambiguation page. Dissidentplasterer ( talk) 18:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:38, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. The use of the term "Thames Valley" long pre-dates the M4, although clearly the area overlaps with the M4 corridor, which is a much more recent term and covers an area extending much further westwards (as far as Swansea, perhaps). There are multiple published sources naming the Thames Valley - examples here. Although clearly the valley can easily be defined technically in geographical terms, the term is often used more loosely. But, the fact that there is no one single definition does not mean that there should not be an article about it - many ill-defined areas (such as the West Country) also have articles. The article itself is quite poor and needs to be properly referenced - but that is a reason to improve it, not delete it. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 19:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- In fact, I think there's a good argument for that article not existing either - it's mainly just a list of things with "West Country" in the name, and "West Country" is essentially synonymous with the South West of England. The argument that the article could be improved, however, is predicated on the idea that there is something distinctly notable to say about it. --
Dissidentplasterer (
talk)
19:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- While the "South West" and the "West Country" are basically synonyms, the article South West of England is about the defined local government region. That strictly defined region is not synonymous with the fuzzy concept. The West Country could mean anything from just Devon and Cornwall to even including Herefordshire, but thoe alternative definitions have no place in an article about the region. Northern England is similarly poorly defined, but its article is currently at FAC. The lack of a single solid definition doesn't prevent a good article being written.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 21:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- In fact, I think there's a good argument for that article not existing either - it's mainly just a list of things with "West Country" in the name, and "West Country" is essentially synonymous with the South West of England. The argument that the article could be improved, however, is predicated on the idea that there is something distinctly notable to say about it. --
Dissidentplasterer (
talk)
19:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There about 176 pages which link to Thames Valley, and in itself that suggests it is a notable concept. They would have to be changed if the article was deleted. JonH ( talk) 20:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep The Thames Valley certainly exists as a distinct area within England, and is quite distinct from the M4 corridor (South Wales, Bristol and Bath are part of the M4 corridor but not within the Thames Valley). Aside from the valley of the actual river, the business district and the National Character Area are significant and those last two links could be used to substantially flesh out the article. The police area and the water authority area could also be discussed, and I'm sure there's other uses too.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 21:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, this I can work with. Closing -- Dissidentplasterer ( talk) 22:25, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.