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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Taured mystery
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An unexplained mystery visit from another world or something sourced only to credulous websites. I found one book source, equally credulous. Mangoe ( talk) 22:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Well, as the article mentions, the story has been mention on page 86 in the 1989 book The Directory of Possibilities by Colin Wilson and John Grant ( ISBN 0-552-119946) and also on page 64 in the 1999 book Strange But True: Mysterious and Bizarre People by Thomas Sleman ( ISBN 0-760-712443 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum). Jonas Vinther • ( Click here to collect your price!) 22:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 05:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 05:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - Things that cannot be verified can appear in Wikipedia under such guidelines as WP:NFRINGE. The subject of the article then becomes less whether the event really happened than the phenomenon of such an urban legend or fringe theory. In that case, independent and significant reliable sources are needed that talk about that phenomenon. Sources that promote that legend or fringe theory, however, would be hard to consider independent. I've searched Japanese sources in this case and find a lot of blogs and fringe websites that mention the incident, but nothing looking like an RS yet. Michitaro ( talk) 05:44, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I believe that by writing "is considered by many to be a hoax or urban legend" I did make it clear it was not solid facts (
WP:NFRINGE).
Jonas Vinther • (
Click here to collect your price!) 14:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- That's fine, but you will need more sources that approach it from the same neutral, objective standpoint. Sources 3 and 4 are definitely not that. Source 1 is somewhat skeptical and source 2 more so, but these two sites are likely not the "major publications" that are mentioned in WP:NFRINGE. The two books cited also do not look neutral and objectve, and mentions only on one page are not significant coverage. I think you need more sources to prove notability. Michitaro ( talk) 18:45, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I believe that by writing "is considered by many to be a hoax or urban legend" I did make it clear it was not solid facts (
WP:NFRINGE).
Jonas Vinther • (
Click here to collect your price!) 14:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete: Unfortunately (hey, it's a good story!) it just doesn't seem notable enough, as I can find no significant coverage in reliable sources - only blogs and forum posts. The books cited above appear to contain only passing mentions, and the other results I can find on Google Books that aren't just OCR gone wrong are all self-published. Kolbasz ( talk) 19:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - There is nothing which meets WP:RS criteria in Japanese. There's a brief account supposedly in the pages of a Japanese paranormal magazine dating back to September 2013 [1] but the article is not online. There is however mention by John Grant in some blog commentary [2] that he wasn't the source, but it was a Paul G. Begg who started it in some other book. Considering how fond Japanese are of paranormal phenomena, if this was an actual incident or had origins in Japan there would be references in abundance. I very much doubt there is any chance of establishing WP:N for what is evidently a work of fiction from the UK. Jun Kayama 03:16, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Complete lack of english WP:RS sources. A few foreign language pop culture sources [3] but nothing that warrants a stand alone article. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 02:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Taured mystery
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An unexplained mystery visit from another world or something sourced only to credulous websites. I found one book source, equally credulous. Mangoe ( talk) 22:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Well, as the article mentions, the story has been mention on page 86 in the 1989 book The Directory of Possibilities by Colin Wilson and John Grant ( ISBN 0-552-119946) and also on page 64 in the 1999 book Strange But True: Mysterious and Bizarre People by Thomas Sleman ( ISBN 0-760-712443 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum). Jonas Vinther • ( Click here to collect your price!) 22:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 05:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 05:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - Things that cannot be verified can appear in Wikipedia under such guidelines as WP:NFRINGE. The subject of the article then becomes less whether the event really happened than the phenomenon of such an urban legend or fringe theory. In that case, independent and significant reliable sources are needed that talk about that phenomenon. Sources that promote that legend or fringe theory, however, would be hard to consider independent. I've searched Japanese sources in this case and find a lot of blogs and fringe websites that mention the incident, but nothing looking like an RS yet. Michitaro ( talk) 05:44, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I believe that by writing "is considered by many to be a hoax or urban legend" I did make it clear it was not solid facts (
WP:NFRINGE).
Jonas Vinther • (
Click here to collect your price!) 14:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- That's fine, but you will need more sources that approach it from the same neutral, objective standpoint. Sources 3 and 4 are definitely not that. Source 1 is somewhat skeptical and source 2 more so, but these two sites are likely not the "major publications" that are mentioned in WP:NFRINGE. The two books cited also do not look neutral and objectve, and mentions only on one page are not significant coverage. I think you need more sources to prove notability. Michitaro ( talk) 18:45, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I believe that by writing "is considered by many to be a hoax or urban legend" I did make it clear it was not solid facts (
WP:NFRINGE).
Jonas Vinther • (
Click here to collect your price!) 14:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete: Unfortunately (hey, it's a good story!) it just doesn't seem notable enough, as I can find no significant coverage in reliable sources - only blogs and forum posts. The books cited above appear to contain only passing mentions, and the other results I can find on Google Books that aren't just OCR gone wrong are all self-published. Kolbasz ( talk) 19:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - There is nothing which meets WP:RS criteria in Japanese. There's a brief account supposedly in the pages of a Japanese paranormal magazine dating back to September 2013 [1] but the article is not online. There is however mention by John Grant in some blog commentary [2] that he wasn't the source, but it was a Paul G. Begg who started it in some other book. Considering how fond Japanese are of paranormal phenomena, if this was an actual incident or had origins in Japan there would be references in abundance. I very much doubt there is any chance of establishing WP:N for what is evidently a work of fiction from the UK. Jun Kayama 03:16, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Complete lack of english WP:RS sources. A few foreign language pop culture sources [3] but nothing that warrants a stand alone article. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.