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The result was redirect to Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Delete, does not appear to meet GNG guidelines. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 13:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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Added many reliable sources and also cut shot the poorly sourced information so need not to be deleted
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
23:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly is this sourcing referencing [ [1]]? How does this establish notability [ [2]]? Also you appear to try and source his lineage to Muhammad to a defunct and apparently self published website as seen here [ [3]]. People reviewing this article should take great care in checking the references added. They do not always match what they are being sourced to. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 00:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Sort out the previous problems actually the article was not created by me so How can i be aware of defunct sources I have just come to page for adding the word[[
Tarika for your revert and sees that ymthe article is nominated so hurrily i was adding the sources
Thanks
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
00:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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Dear hell
The second source which you says that is non reliable is a secondary reliable source not a primary source
My personal advice to you that please gather some knowledge before making any comment on Islam(Sufism) related issues your knowledge about Islam (sufism) seems to be very pathetic
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
00:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Deleting the tag seems the article is ok now
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
00:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Another reliable sources have been added so deleted the present tag
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
01:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to Syed Ahmad Ullah for the timebeing. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 02:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
keep::Need not require to merge claims separate notibility Maizbhandariya ( talk) 04:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Delete. The sources aren't about the tariqah, but about its founder. In fact, only one source even mentions the tariqah specifically, and it's the Int'l Association of Sufism source. The only thing you've shown is Maizbhanderi's notability. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 05:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am changing my argument to Merge having finally gotten around to looking at George Custer Sabre's efforts below and considering that most of the sources that were provided were more about the man than the tariqah. Sorry it took so long. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 20:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- keep These are all sources about the Tariqah, [4], [5], [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obaid Raza ( talk • contribs) 06:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Obaid Raza ( talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. ( diff)
- All of which appear to be cursory mentions. We want sources that discuss the tariqa specifically in some depth. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 06:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to
Syed Ahmad Ullah. The Sufi order is significant so some of the information is worth keeping on Wikipedia. This is clear from the book cited in footnote 1, which is a major academic study of the Tarika-e-Maizbhandari (Hans Harder, Sufism and Saint Veneration in Contemporary Bangladesh).
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
03:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Is the whole book about the Tariqah or just a section of it? If the latter, there needs to be specific pages cited. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 07:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Keep The sufi order is significan there should be an article on it Maizbhandariya ( talk) 06:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Keep I think the Consensus have been reached to keep the article need to Closing the discussion— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maizbhandariya ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)- You do not get to judge that, especially given your multiple !votes. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 07:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect: with history to Syed Ahmad Ullah (as a minimum); I think its not a WP:SURPRISE so should be ok. I'm also open to a merge if someone feels they want to do good job. Recommend closer salts the redirect (after appropriate Rcats added) but with no prejudice against replacement by article if can be demonstrated to be notable to closer or WP:DRV. If 3 suitable references per WP:THREE were presented clearly here I am open to keeping. I am VERY concerned about the amount of disruption and canvassing of keep !votes for this AfD and closer should take that into account; but in the end the question is whether the subject is notable; recommend admins consider dealing with with AfD disruptor(s) unless they repent and especially if it continues. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari, i.e. a section of the article on Syed Ahmad Ullah. The current article on Tarika-e-Maizbhandari contains just three sentences on Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. These are:
- Tarika-e-Maizbhandari or the Maizbhandari Sufi order is a Sufi Tariqa (religious order) based in Chittagong District of Bangladesh founded by Ahmed Ullah Maizbhanderi. (There is a second sentence that repeats this information.)
- Saifuddin Ahmad Maizbhandari is the living leader of this Tariqa.
- The Maizbhandari Tarika is known for its gatherings for spiritual listening and devotional music, which are important in Bengali Sufi traditions.
- If this is all that can be written about the topic based on reliable sources, there is not enough to justify an article on it.--
Toddy1
(talk)
10:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dear Toddy1, this is a judicious and insightful summary. I think far more can be written and I'll try to do so as time permits, using reliable third-party sources. All good wishes, George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 12:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- redirect per Toddy1 and ATD-R. SERIAL # 13:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not opposed to the clear consensus to redirect. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 14:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
'Merge with Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari.-- Vitalpantaryan ( talk) 16:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dear friends
Toddy1,
Hell in a Bucket and
Vitalpantaryan, forgive me if it’s premature given that no decision yet appears here, but I’ve taken the liberty of starting that merge to see how it might look and I think it does indeed work well at
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. Please have a look. Best regards,
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
18:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm satisfied.
Hell in a Bucket (
talk)
19:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
GorgeCustersSabre:, Best. It looks best as a merge. -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
19:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes it can be merged with Aaqib too.-- Vitalpantaryan ( talk) 14:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
GorgeCustersSabre:, Best. It looks best as a merge. -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
19:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm satisfied.
Hell in a Bucket (
talk)
19:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dear friends
Toddy1,
Hell in a Bucket and
Vitalpantaryan, forgive me if it’s premature given that no decision yet appears here, but I’ve taken the liberty of starting that merge to see how it might look and I think it does indeed work well at
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. Please have a look. Best regards,
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
18:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Sulfurboy: There is no real difference between a merge and a redirect statement, since the redirect is a place where the merge has already taken place.--
Toddy1
(talk)
10:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Sulfurboy:, I see there is clear consensus on redirecting this article towards
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
11:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- AaqibAnjum, There's a couple of keeps and a delete mixed in (even though with possibly weaker arguments). Either way, that's not clear consensus. There shouldn't be any issue with letting this run another week if a couple more r/m votes come in then another closer can process it at anytime without having to wait the whole week. Cheers Sulfurboy ( talk) 12:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Sulfurboy:, I see there is clear consensus on redirecting this article towards
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
11:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
keep This is the only known Sufi order in Bangladesh hence claims separate notability. HM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.193.105.71 ( talk) 04:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
KeepThis article qualifies notability and it is in the good state I will surely support it to keep 106.193.105.95 ( talk) 23:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Keep notable — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
106.78.194.193 (
talk)
07:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per nom. Seems religious propaganda. ~Moheen (keep talking) 10:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge with Syed Ahmad Ullah as the Sufi order is important so therefore at least a bit of the information should be kept on Wikipedia but this page doesn't have the sufficient amount of information on Tarika-e-Maizbhandri, (as mentioned before by Toddy1), rather it has more information on the founder. - Hamza Ali Shah (talk) 00:16, 19 May 2020 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Hamza Ali Shah ( talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. ( diff)
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The result was redirect to Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Tarika-e-Maizbhandari
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Delete, does not appear to meet GNG guidelines. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 13:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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Added many reliable sources and also cut shot the poorly sourced information so need not to be deleted
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
23:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly is this sourcing referencing [ [1]]? How does this establish notability [ [2]]? Also you appear to try and source his lineage to Muhammad to a defunct and apparently self published website as seen here [ [3]]. People reviewing this article should take great care in checking the references added. They do not always match what they are being sourced to. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 00:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Sort out the previous problems actually the article was not created by me so How can i be aware of defunct sources I have just come to page for adding the word[[
Tarika for your revert and sees that ymthe article is nominated so hurrily i was adding the sources
Thanks
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
00:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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Dear hell
The second source which you says that is non reliable is a secondary reliable source not a primary source
My personal advice to you that please gather some knowledge before making any comment on Islam(Sufism) related issues your knowledge about Islam (sufism) seems to be very pathetic
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
00:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Deleting the tag seems the article is ok now
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
00:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Another reliable sources have been added so deleted the present tag
Maizbhandariya (
talk)
01:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to Syed Ahmad Ullah for the timebeing. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 02:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
keep::Need not require to merge claims separate notibility Maizbhandariya ( talk) 04:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Delete. The sources aren't about the tariqah, but about its founder. In fact, only one source even mentions the tariqah specifically, and it's the Int'l Association of Sufism source. The only thing you've shown is Maizbhanderi's notability. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 05:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am changing my argument to Merge having finally gotten around to looking at George Custer Sabre's efforts below and considering that most of the sources that were provided were more about the man than the tariqah. Sorry it took so long. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 20:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- keep These are all sources about the Tariqah, [4], [5], [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obaid Raza ( talk • contribs) 06:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Obaid Raza ( talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. ( diff)
- All of which appear to be cursory mentions. We want sources that discuss the tariqa specifically in some depth. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 06:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to
Syed Ahmad Ullah. The Sufi order is significant so some of the information is worth keeping on Wikipedia. This is clear from the book cited in footnote 1, which is a major academic study of the Tarika-e-Maizbhandari (Hans Harder, Sufism and Saint Veneration in Contemporary Bangladesh).
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
03:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Is the whole book about the Tariqah or just a section of it? If the latter, there needs to be specific pages cited. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 07:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Keep The sufi order is significan there should be an article on it Maizbhandariya ( talk) 06:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Keep I think the Consensus have been reached to keep the article need to Closing the discussion— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maizbhandariya ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)- You do not get to judge that, especially given your multiple !votes. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 07:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect: with history to Syed Ahmad Ullah (as a minimum); I think its not a WP:SURPRISE so should be ok. I'm also open to a merge if someone feels they want to do good job. Recommend closer salts the redirect (after appropriate Rcats added) but with no prejudice against replacement by article if can be demonstrated to be notable to closer or WP:DRV. If 3 suitable references per WP:THREE were presented clearly here I am open to keeping. I am VERY concerned about the amount of disruption and canvassing of keep !votes for this AfD and closer should take that into account; but in the end the question is whether the subject is notable; recommend admins consider dealing with with AfD disruptor(s) unless they repent and especially if it continues. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari, i.e. a section of the article on Syed Ahmad Ullah. The current article on Tarika-e-Maizbhandari contains just three sentences on Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. These are:
- Tarika-e-Maizbhandari or the Maizbhandari Sufi order is a Sufi Tariqa (religious order) based in Chittagong District of Bangladesh founded by Ahmed Ullah Maizbhanderi. (There is a second sentence that repeats this information.)
- Saifuddin Ahmad Maizbhandari is the living leader of this Tariqa.
- The Maizbhandari Tarika is known for its gatherings for spiritual listening and devotional music, which are important in Bengali Sufi traditions.
- If this is all that can be written about the topic based on reliable sources, there is not enough to justify an article on it.--
Toddy1
(talk)
10:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dear Toddy1, this is a judicious and insightful summary. I think far more can be written and I'll try to do so as time permits, using reliable third-party sources. All good wishes, George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 12:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- redirect per Toddy1 and ATD-R. SERIAL # 13:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not opposed to the clear consensus to redirect. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 14:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
'Merge with Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari.-- Vitalpantaryan ( talk) 16:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dear friends
Toddy1,
Hell in a Bucket and
Vitalpantaryan, forgive me if it’s premature given that no decision yet appears here, but I’ve taken the liberty of starting that merge to see how it might look and I think it does indeed work well at
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. Please have a look. Best regards,
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
18:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm satisfied.
Hell in a Bucket (
talk)
19:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
GorgeCustersSabre:, Best. It looks best as a merge. -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
19:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes it can be merged with Aaqib too.-- Vitalpantaryan ( talk) 14:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
GorgeCustersSabre:, Best. It looks best as a merge. -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
19:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm satisfied.
Hell in a Bucket (
talk)
19:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dear friends
Toddy1,
Hell in a Bucket and
Vitalpantaryan, forgive me if it’s premature given that no decision yet appears here, but I’ve taken the liberty of starting that merge to see how it might look and I think it does indeed work well at
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari. Please have a look. Best regards,
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
18:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy ( talk) 18:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Sulfurboy: There is no real difference between a merge and a redirect statement, since the redirect is a place where the merge has already taken place.--
Toddy1
(talk)
10:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Sulfurboy:, I see there is clear consensus on redirecting this article towards
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
11:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- AaqibAnjum, There's a couple of keeps and a delete mixed in (even though with possibly weaker arguments). Either way, that's not clear consensus. There shouldn't be any issue with letting this run another week if a couple more r/m votes come in then another closer can process it at anytime without having to wait the whole week. Cheers Sulfurboy ( talk) 12:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @
Sulfurboy:, I see there is clear consensus on redirecting this article towards
Syed Ahmad Ullah#Tarika-e-Maizbhandari -
Aaqib Anjum Aafī (
talk)
11:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
keep This is the only known Sufi order in Bangladesh hence claims separate notability. HM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.193.105.71 ( talk) 04:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
KeepThis article qualifies notability and it is in the good state I will surely support it to keep 106.193.105.95 ( talk) 23:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Keep notable — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
106.78.194.193 (
talk)
07:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per nom. Seems religious propaganda. ~Moheen (keep talking) 10:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge with Syed Ahmad Ullah as the Sufi order is important so therefore at least a bit of the information should be kept on Wikipedia but this page doesn't have the sufficient amount of information on Tarika-e-Maizbhandri, (as mentioned before by Toddy1), rather it has more information on the founder. - Hamza Ali Shah (talk) 00:16, 19 May 2020 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Hamza Ali Shah ( talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. ( diff)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.