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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Swati Bathwal

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Non notable dietatian with minor passing mentions and interviews in some references. I did a WP:BEFORE search but nothing better was found. Some positions mentioned in the article are also non notable positions or non-notable organizations. Some claims couldn't be verified also. Nanpofira ( talk) 07:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete a local level representative of a government program to increase fitness. This is not the thing notability is made of. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:10, 19 April 2022 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Women, Health and fitness, and India. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep after adding other references from reliable resources the topic shows significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources hence passes WP:GNG. Also the subject is the author of school textbooks for CBSE, approved by NCERT, Government of India and author of various podcasts, hence passes WP:NAUTHOR. JoyStick101 ( talk) 10:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC) SOCK Strike reply

The references you have added are all self promotional materials which do not contribute to notability. Please see WP:SPIP. I have removed those references as those aren't reliable. Please see WP:SPONSORED. Nanpofira ( talk) 08:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC) reply

@ JoyStick101:, would you be kind enough to show wherefrom you came to know that she is an author of NCERT books? I couldn't find any references that satisfy such claims. - Nanpofira ( talk) 08:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete Minor mentions, nothing notable. Oaktree b ( talk) 17:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC) reply
• Comment Existing and newly added sources:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/food-news/is-silicone-cookware-safe/photostory/78388898.cms https://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Home/ShareArticle?OrgId=131f36370fa&imageview=0 https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/times-now/india/is-the-black-water-or-alkaline-water-a-health-booster-or-just-a-gimmick-video-90305376 https://recipes.timesofindia.com/videos/watch-top-5-nutrients-to-prevent-hair-fall/videoshow/81784615.cms https://zeenews.india.com/health/exclusive-what-food-items-help-in-preventing-seasonal-flu-or-virus-celebrity-dietician-and-nutritionist-swati-bathwal-explains-2432998 https://ndtv.in/food-lifestyle/best-diet-for-managing-pcos-how-to-control-pcos-know-here-foods-suggested-by-experts-2854709 https://fitindia.gov.in/fit-india-ambassador?page=6 https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/business-news-deal-or-no-deal/397706 https://english.jagran.com/lifestyle/how-climate-change-can-impact-human-health-10041720 https://www.ibtimes.sg/author-swati-bathwals-successful-journey-public-health-expert-climate-change-activist-64233 https://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report-nutritionist-swati-bathwal-explains-foods-to-uplift-your-mood-2899277 https://www.dailypioneer.com/2018/state-editions/you-have-to-be-best-friends-with-your-dietitian--swati-bathwal.html https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/48358 https://www.nescoexhibitions.in/worldofsports/ https://www.firstpost.com/9-months/season-5#about https://english.jagran.com/lifestyle/onlymyhealthcom-announces-1st-edition-of-healthcare-heroes-awards2020-10017230
JoyStick101 ( talk) 06:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Sock strike reply

Can you please select WP:THREE best sources that you think cover the subject in depth? I'm asking you since you are the author and know the area best. As it stands, I agree with Oaktree b that the coverage isn't the kind suitable for an article here. Hemantha ( talk) 06:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC) reply

• Keep After a close look of all the references and as per WP:HEY, the subject passes WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. Most of the references seem significant and independent of the subject. DMySon ( talk) 08:59, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Sock strike reply

• Delete - There are two articles that could be considered significant - IBTimes and Daily Pioneer. WP:IBTIMES is considered unreliable. Both the articles are highly flattering ("A multi faceted person", "renowned dietitian" etc) and are mostly made up of quotes; thus neither appears independent. Search hits are quotes or PR content. Hemantha ( talk) 10:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC) reply
• Comment Source Analysis:

1 - Hindustan Times considered a reliable resource as per concensus. It is independent of the subject published in secondary source and meets WP:SIGCOV.
: 2- Times of India article written independently by on a generic topic generally consider reliable as per discussion and it is used as reference on millions of Wiki articles.
: 3 - Zee News: An independently written article by an editor Ritika Handoo. She writes about fashion, lifestyle and health. Normally considered as reliable reference used on many articles.
: 4 - Another reliable reference is from NDTV independently written by Aradhana Singh who regularly writes articles on health, fitness and Foods. Passes WP:SIGCOV.
: 5 - Fit India Movement website, an Indian Government entity generally consder reliable as per consensus. This is a list of Fit India Movement ambassadors. Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view passes WP:LISTBIO as per WP:TRIVIA and WP:SOURCELIST.
: 6 - International Business Times, Independently written by Chris David. The website used as reference on many Wikipedia articles. Passes WP:SIGCOV.
: 7 - Outlook (Indian magazine) a reliable resource, an article which is independent of the subject written by Sneha Kanchan. Passes WP:SIGCOV.
: The above references are enough to passes WP:THREE. DMySon ( talk) 05:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC) reply

1. HT - two quotes in a recipe article
2. ToI - quote in pure churnalist article
3. Zee News - straight away says interview. Please review WP:BASIC which says primary sources (which interview are) don't count towards notability.
4. NDTV - a listicle of five foods suggested by the subject. Has nothing on the subject herself.
5. FitIndia - a simple list of people
6. IBT - already said in my vote that it's unreliable and extremely promotional.
7. Outlook - again only quotes; hence primary and doesn't count towards notability.

Not a single one of the above is even barely WP:SIRS. You've simply dumped a list once more without engaging in any of the points raised in previous comments. Hemantha ( talk) 15:42, 2 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given the socking surrounding JoyStick101 and DMySon, would like more uninvolved input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete - due to the following:

1. Insufficient coverage. No sources found in books. Turning to news sources, I am not satisfied these meet the standards of significant coverage as the articles do not address the subject directly and in detail. These articles merely describe the nutrition advice given by the subject and I find this to be trivial mention of the subject, the focus of the material is actually on the nutritional advice.

2. Even if (which I do not believe) the sources could be reliable, they cover nutritional advice given by this person only. So the articles focus on a single context. Other than the advice given in these articles, the subject is likely to remain a low-profile individual and so a biographical article on this individual is not really appropriate for an encyclopaedia.

3. I really find the news sources available are not a valid route to inclusion on Wikipedia, the real test of notability is whether anyone independent of this topic has or even could publish non-trivial works of their own and I do not consider this the case.

4. Wikipedia is not a place for ones resume, or to advertise or promote. This article really reads like a resume in essay style, appears self-promotional (although I have no evidence this was written by the subject so happy to just say promotional instead).

So for these reasons, I think there is a strong cause for deletion. I do not normally go into such detail on AFD, and I do apologise in advance if anyone thinks what I have written is Wikilawyering. I do trawl through AFD looking for cases that need an extra consideration before closure. I see this one was re-listed for further consideration and so read through a few policies to truly establish whether this article warrants inclusion. On balance, I feel it does not and it ought to be deleted. - Such-change47 ( talk) 08:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

I agree with the source analysis as above. Many sources, few if any help to establish notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.