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The result was delete. The article claims that there is a city named Sufayri in the Emirate of Dubai, United Arab Emirates. A few participants in this discussion found sources confirming settlements named Sufayri in Syria and Saudi Arabia, but no one seems to have provided compelling evidence supporting the existence of a legally recognized, populated place in UAE with this name. As the burden to demonstrate verifiability is on editors arguing to keep or restore content, I'm afraid deletion is the outcome that has consensus here. Mz7 ( talk) 23:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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There's no such place as Sufayri in the emirate of Dubai, certainly not in the location shown and certainly not a city. An unsourced entry, it needs to go... Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 06:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Found it. It's a tiny sub-community of about six houses within the Eastern reaches of the small mountain town of Hatta. We haven't broken out Dubai's suburbs, let alone Hatta's. Still suggest delete on WP:FAILN. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep meets WP:GEOLAND, the Hatta Fort Hotel appears to be located there. SportingFlyer talk 22:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- The Hatta Fort Hotel is located on the Hatta roundabout, some way up the road and on the other side of the road from the location of the unremarkable Sufayri.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
04:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- What sources are you using to determine its lack of existence?
SportingFlyer
talk
07:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- This, principally, which lists Hatta but not its subdivisions, suburbs or communities - which may not even be locally signposted, depending on their size. This is a list of all settlements in modern Dubai (including Hatta). And some Google. And maybe even a little OR given I live here and am amazed to find unchallenged entries citing mountain village sub-communities as "cities in the UAE"...
- What sources are you using to determine its lack of existence?
SportingFlyer
talk
07:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- The Hatta Fort Hotel is located on the Hatta roundabout, some way up the road and on the other side of the road from the location of the unremarkable Sufayri.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
04:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
https://www.dsc.gov.ae/Publication/Population%20Bulletin%20Emirate%20of%20Dubai%202015.pdf BTW, the source as far as I can tell for all these spurious entries is a 1987 American Gazetteer!!! Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- PS, the spellings in that Dubai Government list are pretty wild... Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Useless uncited three-word article of dubious accuracy. Softlavender ( talk) 11:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- There are sources that speak of a village of Sufayri in Syria and a place called Sufayri in Saudia Arabia. The village (which is nowhere near Dubai) will be notable under GEOLAND. Completely overwriting this article with correct information about the Syrian village would be quicker and easier than deletion and recreation with new content. James500 ( talk) 06:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Geoland sets the bar very low. It is populated as noted by the nom so we're discussing whether it is legally recognised, I think so on the basis that the village is mentioned in google books. Szzuk ( talk) 10:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
- Szzuk I don't see any Sufayri in Dubai, or indeed anywhere in the UAE, in GoogleBooks. Do you? If so, please provide link. Softlavender ( talk) 08:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- CommentWhat? WHAT? It's still here? This crazy little stub about a district of a small mountain town called Hatta? Nooo! The 'legally recognised settlement' here is Hatta. Sufayri is the name of a block, an area, a district even OF Hatta. There are no signs to it, even, from the main road. It's not notable as a place in its own right. It fails WP:N; I'd argue it fails WP:GEOLAND. I even WENT THERE two weeks ago to make sure I wasn't making some terrible mistake and had missed, in my 25 years of going to Hatta, this notable settlement. It's.not.notable. Die, Sufayri! Die! Yup, thanks. That's feeling a lot better. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:19, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The article claims that there is a city named Sufayri in the Emirate of Dubai, United Arab Emirates. A few participants in this discussion found sources confirming settlements named Sufayri in Syria and Saudi Arabia, but no one seems to have provided compelling evidence supporting the existence of a legally recognized, populated place in UAE with this name. As the burden to demonstrate verifiability is on editors arguing to keep or restore content, I'm afraid deletion is the outcome that has consensus here. Mz7 ( talk) 23:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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There's no such place as Sufayri in the emirate of Dubai, certainly not in the location shown and certainly not a city. An unsourced entry, it needs to go... Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 06:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Found it. It's a tiny sub-community of about six houses within the Eastern reaches of the small mountain town of Hatta. We haven't broken out Dubai's suburbs, let alone Hatta's. Still suggest delete on WP:FAILN. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:GEOLAND, the Hatta Fort Hotel appears to be located there. SportingFlyer talk 22:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- The Hatta Fort Hotel is located on the Hatta roundabout, some way up the road and on the other side of the road from the location of the unremarkable Sufayri.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
04:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- What sources are you using to determine its lack of existence?
SportingFlyer
talk
07:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- This, principally, which lists Hatta but not its subdivisions, suburbs or communities - which may not even be locally signposted, depending on their size. This is a list of all settlements in modern Dubai (including Hatta). And some Google. And maybe even a little OR given I live here and am amazed to find unchallenged entries citing mountain village sub-communities as "cities in the UAE"...
- What sources are you using to determine its lack of existence?
SportingFlyer
talk
07:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- The Hatta Fort Hotel is located on the Hatta roundabout, some way up the road and on the other side of the road from the location of the unremarkable Sufayri.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
04:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
https://www.dsc.gov.ae/Publication/Population%20Bulletin%20Emirate%20of%20Dubai%202015.pdf BTW, the source as far as I can tell for all these spurious entries is a 1987 American Gazetteer!!! Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- PS, the spellings in that Dubai Government list are pretty wild... Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Useless uncited three-word article of dubious accuracy. Softlavender ( talk) 11:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- There are sources that speak of a village of Sufayri in Syria and a place called Sufayri in Saudia Arabia. The village (which is nowhere near Dubai) will be notable under GEOLAND. Completely overwriting this article with correct information about the Syrian village would be quicker and easier than deletion and recreation with new content. James500 ( talk) 06:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Geoland sets the bar very low. It is populated as noted by the nom so we're discussing whether it is legally recognised, I think so on the basis that the village is mentioned in google books. Szzuk ( talk) 10:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
- Szzuk I don't see any Sufayri in Dubai, or indeed anywhere in the UAE, in GoogleBooks. Do you? If so, please provide link. Softlavender ( talk) 08:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 13:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- CommentWhat? WHAT? It's still here? This crazy little stub about a district of a small mountain town called Hatta? Nooo! The 'legally recognised settlement' here is Hatta. Sufayri is the name of a block, an area, a district even OF Hatta. There are no signs to it, even, from the main road. It's not notable as a place in its own right. It fails WP:N; I'd argue it fails WP:GEOLAND. I even WENT THERE two weeks ago to make sure I wasn't making some terrible mistake and had missed, in my 25 years of going to Hatta, this notable settlement. It's.not.notable. Die, Sufayri! Die! Yup, thanks. That's feeling a lot better. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:19, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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