- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Transwiki. Editors attained a consensus that this content is not suitable for Wikipedia, and the text of the pages have been copied and moved to Wiktionary. In light of the deletion policy, the pages will be converted into soft redirects to their corresponding entries on Wiktionary. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 1 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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I believe this and the other lists below do not meet WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 2 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 3 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 4 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Computing, and China. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The reasons why the article is put on the wiki main space include:
- 1. Lists are a kind of wiki articles in Wikipedia;
- 2. Similar articles such as List of CJK Unified Ideographs, part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4 have been on the main space for ages.
- 3. Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 1 of 4 etc. are sorted in YES order for easy lookup and include stroke orders information.
- By the way, the article has been reviewed twice since its publication last month and has been rated List-class by the first reviewer. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 01:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ther are 4 relevant sources in the brief introduction in front of the list. And more are available in the parent article, as mentioned there. Thanks for your attention.
- Welcome to add more sources to make the article more notable. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 02:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I have no strong opinion on whether this stroke-order information should be on Wiktionary articles like
wikt:锗; but it should not be an encyclopedia article. Per nom,
WP:NOTEVERYTHING, and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE.
Walsh90210 (
talk)
00:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- More information for reference: All the 4 articles have just been reviewed on June 15, 2024, by
Vanderwaalforces (
talk ·
contribs). (Thanks, Vanderwaalforces)
Ctxz2323 (
talk)
02:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The review was to take the article off the NPP queue and not to give it an outright approval. This discussion will determine if they’ll stay or be deleted. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 04:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- More information for reference: All the 4 articles have just been reviewed on June 15, 2024, by
Vanderwaalforces (
talk ·
contribs). (Thanks, Vanderwaalforces)
Ctxz2323 (
talk)
02:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- This looks like a great and useful work but in violation of
WP:NOTDICT. The
Appendix of
Wiktionary looks like a potential place for this; I would suggest to transwiki there. (Any Wiktionarians around?) —
Kusma (
talk)
07:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- It sounds like a good suggestion. Thanks!
- I will try it. New to Appendix of Wiktionary, it may take time. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have re-created the lists on Wiktionary, at wikt:Appendix:Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs (YES order). Please help check if it is OK. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 01:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: These have been transferred as cut-and-paste moves. Is a historymerge needed from WP to Wikt, or alternatively deletion and formal transwiki-ing, or given that all significant edits were made by Ctxz2323, no action needed? ~
Hydronium~Hydroxide~
(Talk)~
04:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Better to move with history. But there is no such an option on the Move menu of Wikipedia. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 05:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a handy way to copy the history to Wiktionary? Ctxz2323 ( talk) 06:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sub-list 1 used to be the largest in Wikipedia. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 06:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I just don't see what purpose these four lists of brush strokes serve. There is no context given to differentiate one from another and no other information than a unicode number... This seems too specialized for Wikipedia, this would only be useful to a very small subset of linguists or anthropologists and to be honest, I've read the article and still have no ideal what this is.
Oaktree b (
talk)
23:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- They are four sub-lists of Stroke orders for the 20,992 Unicode CJK character set sorted in YES Order.
- It is useful to all Chinese character users.
- Please read the parent and grandparent articles for more information.
Ctxz2323 (
talk)
04:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- 20,000 Unicode characters don't need a Wikipedia article or series of articles; this seems to be an overly long list, that really doesn't serve the community here. Move to Wiktionary I suppose, not sure how interested they would be there (but they can decide for themselves).
Oaktree b (
talk)
19:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, moving is in progress.
- Can anyone help to move the History and other relevant data?
- More information is available in the previous discussion. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 23:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Move to Wiktionary I suppose, ..."
- I would appreciate it if you change the vote from Delete to Move, to better express your more constructive and helpful standing.
- The value of the list is confirmed at "Talk:Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 1 of 4 - Wikipedia", I suppose. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 00:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- 20,000 Unicode characters don't need a Wikipedia article or series of articles; this seems to be an overly long list, that really doesn't serve the community here. Move to Wiktionary I suppose, not sure how interested they would be there (but they can decide for themselves).
Oaktree b (
talk)
19:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Transwiki. Editors attained a consensus that this content is not suitable for Wikipedia, and the text of the pages have been copied and moved to Wiktionary. In light of the deletion policy, the pages will be converted into soft redirects to their corresponding entries on Wiktionary. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 1 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
I believe this and the other lists below do not meet WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 2 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 3 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 4 of 4 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Computing, and China. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The reasons why the article is put on the wiki main space include:
- 1. Lists are a kind of wiki articles in Wikipedia;
- 2. Similar articles such as List of CJK Unified Ideographs, part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4 have been on the main space for ages.
- 3. Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 1 of 4 etc. are sorted in YES order for easy lookup and include stroke orders information.
- By the way, the article has been reviewed twice since its publication last month and has been rated List-class by the first reviewer. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 01:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ther are 4 relevant sources in the brief introduction in front of the list. And more are available in the parent article, as mentioned there. Thanks for your attention.
- Welcome to add more sources to make the article more notable. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 02:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Oops
|
|---|
|
- Delete per nom. I have no strong opinion on whether this stroke-order information should be on Wiktionary articles like
wikt:锗; but it should not be an encyclopedia article. Per nom,
WP:NOTEVERYTHING, and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE.
Walsh90210 (
talk)
00:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- More information for reference: All the 4 articles have just been reviewed on June 15, 2024, by
Vanderwaalforces (
talk ·
contribs). (Thanks, Vanderwaalforces)
Ctxz2323 (
talk)
02:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The review was to take the article off the NPP queue and not to give it an outright approval. This discussion will determine if they’ll stay or be deleted. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 04:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- More information for reference: All the 4 articles have just been reviewed on June 15, 2024, by
Vanderwaalforces (
talk ·
contribs). (Thanks, Vanderwaalforces)
Ctxz2323 (
talk)
02:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- This looks like a great and useful work but in violation of
WP:NOTDICT. The
Appendix of
Wiktionary looks like a potential place for this; I would suggest to transwiki there. (Any Wiktionarians around?) —
Kusma (
talk)
07:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- It sounds like a good suggestion. Thanks!
- I will try it. New to Appendix of Wiktionary, it may take time. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have re-created the lists on Wiktionary, at wikt:Appendix:Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs (YES order). Please help check if it is OK. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 01:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: These have been transferred as cut-and-paste moves. Is a historymerge needed from WP to Wikt, or alternatively deletion and formal transwiki-ing, or given that all significant edits were made by Ctxz2323, no action needed? ~
Hydronium~Hydroxide~
(Talk)~
04:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Better to move with history. But there is no such an option on the Move menu of Wikipedia. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 05:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a handy way to copy the history to Wiktionary? Ctxz2323 ( talk) 06:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sub-list 1 used to be the largest in Wikipedia. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 06:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I just don't see what purpose these four lists of brush strokes serve. There is no context given to differentiate one from another and no other information than a unicode number... This seems too specialized for Wikipedia, this would only be useful to a very small subset of linguists or anthropologists and to be honest, I've read the article and still have no ideal what this is.
Oaktree b (
talk)
23:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- They are four sub-lists of Stroke orders for the 20,992 Unicode CJK character set sorted in YES Order.
- It is useful to all Chinese character users.
- Please read the parent and grandparent articles for more information.
Ctxz2323 (
talk)
04:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- 20,000 Unicode characters don't need a Wikipedia article or series of articles; this seems to be an overly long list, that really doesn't serve the community here. Move to Wiktionary I suppose, not sure how interested they would be there (but they can decide for themselves).
Oaktree b (
talk)
19:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, moving is in progress.
- Can anyone help to move the History and other relevant data?
- More information is available in the previous discussion. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 23:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Move to Wiktionary I suppose, ..."
- I would appreciate it if you change the vote from Delete to Move, to better express your more constructive and helpful standing.
- The value of the list is confirmed at "Talk:Stroke orders of CJK Unified Ideographs in YES order, part 1 of 4 - Wikipedia", I suppose. Ctxz2323 ( talk) 00:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- 20,000 Unicode characters don't need a Wikipedia article or series of articles; this seems to be an overly long list, that really doesn't serve the community here. Move to Wiktionary I suppose, not sure how interested they would be there (but they can decide for themselves).
Oaktree b (
talk)
19:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.