- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn without opposition. (non-admin closure) TrangaBellam ( talk) 11:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Stephen Court fire ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Wikipedia is not news, there are no sources for this subject after the incident in 2010. As it currently stands, I don't think this article meets WP:NEVENTS due to a lack of breadth of coverage and a lack of lasting impact. Sohom ( talk) 19:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India and West Bengal. Sohom ( talk) 19:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Also unrelated commentary, how the freak did this become a GA? Sohom ( talk) 19:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is nonsensical to even propose deleting an article about an accident that involved 43 casualties. We have coverage as late as
2017,
2018, and
2020 — somebody who does not need to depend on Google translate for accessing vernacular sources will find out even more ongoing coverage. See
Grenfell Tower fire for a parallel.
TrangaBellam (
talk)
06:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- An
editorial from 2020 which appears to cover the subject, significantly.
TrangaBellam (
talk)
06:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- An editorial is generally (AFAIK) a opinion piece. Also, I don't see a large breadth of coverage outside of Kolkata (unlike Grenfell Tower fire which was covered internationally). Sohom ( talk) 12:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- TrangaBellam, it's not as "nonsensical" as presenting some arbitrary number people dying and saying that somehow fulfills WP:N. With that said, did you come across any retrospective sources that aren't from the Bengal region? That would definitely confirm notability. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 01:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- An
editorial from 2020 which appears to cover the subject, significantly.
TrangaBellam (
talk)
06:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep Adequately sourced with sustained coverage.This article from 2022 in the Times of India seems to satisfy @
Thebiguglyalien's request for a retrospective source not from the region (N.B. West Bengal alone has more people than any country in Europe save Russia):
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/stephen-court-fire-scars-yet-to-heal/articleshow/90384925.cms
Also this one, again from Times of India, from 2023 and considers the fire safety of the building.Looking at Google Scholar there are also journal articles that mention the fire in the context of fire safety in India, for example:- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289646302_Locating_a_City%27s_Conscience_The_AMRI_Hospital_Fire contrasting the media response to a fire two years later
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368916117_Description_of_Fire_as_a_Disaster_with_a_Case_Study_of_Delhi's_Mundka_Fire
- Oblivy ( talk) 04:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Adequately sourced with sustained coverage.This article from 2022 in the Times of India seems to satisfy @
Thebiguglyalien's request for a retrospective source not from the region (N.B. West Bengal alone has more people than any country in Europe save Russia):
- Keep per the sourcing found by TrangaBellam and Oblivy. The Times of India source by Dasgupta is a pretty strong indicator of notability even by itself. I've added the relevant English language sources as external links so they're easily accessible, and so anyone who's interested in the subject can incorporate them into the article if they so choose. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 05:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw Per the sources from TrangaBellam. I did not find the sources while doing a quick scan :( Sohom ( talk) 11:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn without opposition. (non-admin closure) TrangaBellam ( talk) 11:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Stephen Court fire ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Wikipedia is not news, there are no sources for this subject after the incident in 2010. As it currently stands, I don't think this article meets WP:NEVENTS due to a lack of breadth of coverage and a lack of lasting impact. Sohom ( talk) 19:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India and West Bengal. Sohom ( talk) 19:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Also unrelated commentary, how the freak did this become a GA? Sohom ( talk) 19:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is nonsensical to even propose deleting an article about an accident that involved 43 casualties. We have coverage as late as
2017,
2018, and
2020 — somebody who does not need to depend on Google translate for accessing vernacular sources will find out even more ongoing coverage. See
Grenfell Tower fire for a parallel.
TrangaBellam (
talk)
06:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- An
editorial from 2020 which appears to cover the subject, significantly.
TrangaBellam (
talk)
06:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- An editorial is generally (AFAIK) a opinion piece. Also, I don't see a large breadth of coverage outside of Kolkata (unlike Grenfell Tower fire which was covered internationally). Sohom ( talk) 12:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- TrangaBellam, it's not as "nonsensical" as presenting some arbitrary number people dying and saying that somehow fulfills WP:N. With that said, did you come across any retrospective sources that aren't from the Bengal region? That would definitely confirm notability. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 01:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- An
editorial from 2020 which appears to cover the subject, significantly.
TrangaBellam (
talk)
06:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep Adequately sourced with sustained coverage.This article from 2022 in the Times of India seems to satisfy @
Thebiguglyalien's request for a retrospective source not from the region (N.B. West Bengal alone has more people than any country in Europe save Russia):
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/stephen-court-fire-scars-yet-to-heal/articleshow/90384925.cms
Also this one, again from Times of India, from 2023 and considers the fire safety of the building.Looking at Google Scholar there are also journal articles that mention the fire in the context of fire safety in India, for example:- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289646302_Locating_a_City%27s_Conscience_The_AMRI_Hospital_Fire contrasting the media response to a fire two years later
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368916117_Description_of_Fire_as_a_Disaster_with_a_Case_Study_of_Delhi's_Mundka_Fire
- Oblivy ( talk) 04:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Adequately sourced with sustained coverage.This article from 2022 in the Times of India seems to satisfy @
Thebiguglyalien's request for a retrospective source not from the region (N.B. West Bengal alone has more people than any country in Europe save Russia):
- Keep per the sourcing found by TrangaBellam and Oblivy. The Times of India source by Dasgupta is a pretty strong indicator of notability even by itself. I've added the relevant English language sources as external links so they're easily accessible, and so anyone who's interested in the subject can incorporate them into the article if they so choose. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 05:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw Per the sources from TrangaBellam. I did not find the sources while doing a quick scan :( Sohom ( talk) 11:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.