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The result was no consensus. Limited participation and no agreement after two relists. RL0919 ( talk) 10:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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Prod removed with the summary "Article has sources and information". The information is about the location of a former highway rest stop. The sources 4 or 5 describe the rest stop in the area yet neither even mentions a "State Road". 2 and 6 are just maps that mark the location, but neither these nor my search results indicate that this location is a community, notable or not. Reywas92 Talk 05:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Delaware. Reywas92 Talk 05:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - While it may not be a cohesive community, this is an important location from a transportation standpoint. As mentioned in the article, State Road was formerly an important rest stop on the intercity bus network and also formerly had a train station along what is now a freight-only railroad line. In addition, State Road is an important highway junction. It is currently at the junction of US 13 and US 40 and the location formerly served as the southern terminus of US 202 and the northern terminus of US 301. The construction of I-95 and the relocation of intercity bus service to Wilmington have diminished the transportation importance of State Road but historic importance still matters.
Dough
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13:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- So the article needs to be renamed and totally reworked. "State Road is an unincorporated community", the use of Infobox Settlement, its navbox, and categories are all wrong. Neither rest stops nor highway junctions are typically notable topics. "Important highway junction" is awfully subjective with thousands of them in the country! Reywas92 Talk 16:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sadly, I'll have to go with delete. The only substantial discussion of Clemente's (which everyone who rode Greyhound or Trailways through the area from the fifties through the eighties is too well aware of) I could find was this blog post, which begins by saying "One piece of transportation history that seems to be in the process of being completely forgotten is the Clemente Travel Center, also known as “State Road” in New Castle, Delaware." He also describes the latter as a "locale", which is more in my experience: there has never been a settlement around it. I could find no corroboration of the place as a settlement, and while there's probably an Arcadia book somewhere that talks about Clemente's, searching didn't immediately turn one up. Mangoe ( talk) 04:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - An idea might be to merge the information about the bus rest stop in State Road to the transportation section of the New Castle, Delaware article, since it is the nearest town and mailing address for the State Road area despite the fact it’s outside the corporate limits. Dough 4872 21:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Found this news feature on Clemente Travel Center, which describes it as being "at State Road": Stewart, Ann (July 28, 1987). "Boss still buses tables at bus terminal". The Morning News. Vol. 108, no. 105. pp. B7–B8. part 2. Another article on the fate of the building from the same paper here. Social notices from 1921 editions of a paper reference a "State Road Community Club" and numerous people living "at State Road" in the vicinity of New Castle. This references another club, and this references a "State Road Chapel". This suggests the State Road Community Club was founded in 1921, and mentions a "State Road school". There was also a State Road Community Hall. This article discusses state police revamping their radio antennae in the locale. There was clearly more here than just the travel center, but if it's notable, I don't know. - Indy beetle ( talk) 05:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Indy beetle ( talk) 05:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lots of opinions but no consensus on what to do here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Limited participation and no agreement after two relists. RL0919 ( talk) 10:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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Prod removed with the summary "Article has sources and information". The information is about the location of a former highway rest stop. The sources 4 or 5 describe the rest stop in the area yet neither even mentions a "State Road". 2 and 6 are just maps that mark the location, but neither these nor my search results indicate that this location is a community, notable or not. Reywas92 Talk 05:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Delaware. Reywas92 Talk 05:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - While it may not be a cohesive community, this is an important location from a transportation standpoint. As mentioned in the article, State Road was formerly an important rest stop on the intercity bus network and also formerly had a train station along what is now a freight-only railroad line. In addition, State Road is an important highway junction. It is currently at the junction of US 13 and US 40 and the location formerly served as the southern terminus of US 202 and the northern terminus of US 301. The construction of I-95 and the relocation of intercity bus service to Wilmington have diminished the transportation importance of State Road but historic importance still matters.
Dough
4872
13:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- So the article needs to be renamed and totally reworked. "State Road is an unincorporated community", the use of Infobox Settlement, its navbox, and categories are all wrong. Neither rest stops nor highway junctions are typically notable topics. "Important highway junction" is awfully subjective with thousands of them in the country! Reywas92 Talk 16:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sadly, I'll have to go with delete. The only substantial discussion of Clemente's (which everyone who rode Greyhound or Trailways through the area from the fifties through the eighties is too well aware of) I could find was this blog post, which begins by saying "One piece of transportation history that seems to be in the process of being completely forgotten is the Clemente Travel Center, also known as “State Road” in New Castle, Delaware." He also describes the latter as a "locale", which is more in my experience: there has never been a settlement around it. I could find no corroboration of the place as a settlement, and while there's probably an Arcadia book somewhere that talks about Clemente's, searching didn't immediately turn one up. Mangoe ( talk) 04:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - An idea might be to merge the information about the bus rest stop in State Road to the transportation section of the New Castle, Delaware article, since it is the nearest town and mailing address for the State Road area despite the fact it’s outside the corporate limits. Dough 4872 21:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Found this news feature on Clemente Travel Center, which describes it as being "at State Road": Stewart, Ann (July 28, 1987). "Boss still buses tables at bus terminal". The Morning News. Vol. 108, no. 105. pp. B7–B8. part 2. Another article on the fate of the building from the same paper here. Social notices from 1921 editions of a paper reference a "State Road Community Club" and numerous people living "at State Road" in the vicinity of New Castle. This references another club, and this references a "State Road Chapel". This suggests the State Road Community Club was founded in 1921, and mentions a "State Road school". There was also a State Road Community Hall. This article discusses state police revamping their radio antennae in the locale. There was clearly more here than just the travel center, but if it's notable, I don't know. - Indy beetle ( talk) 05:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Indy beetle ( talk) 05:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lots of opinions but no consensus on what to do here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.