The result was delete. Consensus is that this isn't a notable enough topic for a stand-alone article. If somebody wishes the article userified to work on and/or to merge content (with attribution as required) to one of the other Gitmo articles, ping me. The Bushranger One ping only 15:05, 16 May 2012 (UTC) reply
This is yet another article on a non-notable topic related to the war against terror created by Geo Swan ( talk · contribs). The references provided in the article note that it is routine for US military bases to have Starbucks and other fast famous food franchises (eg, one includes a quote that "There is (of course) a Starbucks, a McDonalds, a combined Subway-Pizza Hut, a Wal-Mart-like big box store called the Nex and a gift shop" and another that "fast food options remain in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Washington Post obtained a line-by-line breakdown of capital expenditures at the U.S. naval station in Guantanamo Bay, and it turns out that the Pentagon has spent at least $500 million since 9/11 renovating the base, including "$683,000 to renovate a cafe that sells ice cream and Starbucks coffee, and $773,000 to remodel a cinder-block building to house a KFC/Taco Bell restaurant" so there's nothing unusual about this (though it does seem a bit odd to people unfamiliar with the kind of facilities on US military bases)). The sources provided to link this cafe it to the goings-on at Guantanamo mention it only in passing - for instance this article is actually about the duration and dullness of the current court proceedings and not the cafe and this story says only that "F.B.I. interrogators provided Al Qaeda suspects with “food whenever they were hungry as well as Starbucks coffee". To cap it, according to the US military website used as a reference in the article ( [1]), the cafe isn't actually a Starbucks, but is a coffee bar called 'Caribbean Coffee and Cream (Triple C)' which sells Starbucks products as well as products produced by other companies. As such, I don't see how WP:ORG is met here. Nick-D ( talk) 12:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
As Starbucks go this is a small one. But it is a significant one, as several aspects of it have tied it to the torture debate. Commentators have asked, since the second set of interrogators were able to get the suspects to acknowledge their role in terrorism simply through offering them a Starbucks coffee, then was it really necessary for the first set of interrogators to torture them? Geo Swan ( talk) 12:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Second, we never delete articles on notable topics simply because some contributors think the article should be at a different name. Instead we discuss alternate names. Could you please suggest your alternate name on the talk page?
Third, commentators have questioned why the USA needed to torture its suspects in the first place when sympathetic listening and Starbucks coffee was enough to get them to talk about their role in terrorism. Could you please explain why you do not see this as conferring notability?
Fourth, while Starbucks has something like ten thousand outlets, the location of this location makes it special enough that it has come in for significant coverage. The following reference I just added devotes half a chapter to Starbucks at Guantanamo. Starbucks has something like 10,000 outlets. How many have required Starbucks HQ to repeatedly go on record on controversial political issues? They did so with the Starbucks at Guantanamo -- and not 9,900 other outlets. Geo Swan ( talk) 15:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
When questioned about its implicit support for the prison camp/torture center, in correspondence made available by the Business & Human Rights Resource Centre, Starbucks claimed it had always 'been committed to operating its business in a socially responsbile way and to living by a set of Guding Principles that includes treating people with respect and dignity.'
As seen in the nearby image the coffee shop displays Starbuck's very closely guarded logo, stating "we proudly brew Starbuck Coffee". I suggest when a coffee shop legitimately displays the Starbucks' logo, uses Starbucks' coffee, in Starbucks' cups, it is legitimate to call it a Starbucks.
I invite those who based their "delete" opinion on the challenge as to whether this coffee shop should be allowed to be called a Starbucks offer their alternate definition of what does and doesn't constitute a Starbucks. Geo Swan ( talk) 10:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Individual Starbucks outlets, in general, are not notable. Starbucks has over 15,000 outlets -- and most of them don't stand out. The topic of Starbucks at Guantanamo does stand out, because it has been represented as playing a key role in enabling the Guantanamo military commissions to go forward against individuals whose original confessions were inadmissible due to the extreme coersion used to extract them.
The topic of Starbucks at Guantanamo does stand out, without regard to whether the Starbucks coffee was purchased from a facility operated directly by Starbuck corporation, from a franchise liscensed from Starbucks corporation, or even a vending machine that dispensed Starbucks liscensed coffee -- because WP:RS referred to the use of "Starbucks coffee" as an effective alternative tool for encouraging suspects to incriminate themselves. Geo Swan ( talk) 15:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Consensus is that this isn't a notable enough topic for a stand-alone article. If somebody wishes the article userified to work on and/or to merge content (with attribution as required) to one of the other Gitmo articles, ping me. The Bushranger One ping only 15:05, 16 May 2012 (UTC) reply
This is yet another article on a non-notable topic related to the war against terror created by Geo Swan ( talk · contribs). The references provided in the article note that it is routine for US military bases to have Starbucks and other fast famous food franchises (eg, one includes a quote that "There is (of course) a Starbucks, a McDonalds, a combined Subway-Pizza Hut, a Wal-Mart-like big box store called the Nex and a gift shop" and another that "fast food options remain in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Washington Post obtained a line-by-line breakdown of capital expenditures at the U.S. naval station in Guantanamo Bay, and it turns out that the Pentagon has spent at least $500 million since 9/11 renovating the base, including "$683,000 to renovate a cafe that sells ice cream and Starbucks coffee, and $773,000 to remodel a cinder-block building to house a KFC/Taco Bell restaurant" so there's nothing unusual about this (though it does seem a bit odd to people unfamiliar with the kind of facilities on US military bases)). The sources provided to link this cafe it to the goings-on at Guantanamo mention it only in passing - for instance this article is actually about the duration and dullness of the current court proceedings and not the cafe and this story says only that "F.B.I. interrogators provided Al Qaeda suspects with “food whenever they were hungry as well as Starbucks coffee". To cap it, according to the US military website used as a reference in the article ( [1]), the cafe isn't actually a Starbucks, but is a coffee bar called 'Caribbean Coffee and Cream (Triple C)' which sells Starbucks products as well as products produced by other companies. As such, I don't see how WP:ORG is met here. Nick-D ( talk) 12:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
As Starbucks go this is a small one. But it is a significant one, as several aspects of it have tied it to the torture debate. Commentators have asked, since the second set of interrogators were able to get the suspects to acknowledge their role in terrorism simply through offering them a Starbucks coffee, then was it really necessary for the first set of interrogators to torture them? Geo Swan ( talk) 12:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Second, we never delete articles on notable topics simply because some contributors think the article should be at a different name. Instead we discuss alternate names. Could you please suggest your alternate name on the talk page?
Third, commentators have questioned why the USA needed to torture its suspects in the first place when sympathetic listening and Starbucks coffee was enough to get them to talk about their role in terrorism. Could you please explain why you do not see this as conferring notability?
Fourth, while Starbucks has something like ten thousand outlets, the location of this location makes it special enough that it has come in for significant coverage. The following reference I just added devotes half a chapter to Starbucks at Guantanamo. Starbucks has something like 10,000 outlets. How many have required Starbucks HQ to repeatedly go on record on controversial political issues? They did so with the Starbucks at Guantanamo -- and not 9,900 other outlets. Geo Swan ( talk) 15:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC) reply
When questioned about its implicit support for the prison camp/torture center, in correspondence made available by the Business & Human Rights Resource Centre, Starbucks claimed it had always 'been committed to operating its business in a socially responsbile way and to living by a set of Guding Principles that includes treating people with respect and dignity.'
As seen in the nearby image the coffee shop displays Starbuck's very closely guarded logo, stating "we proudly brew Starbuck Coffee". I suggest when a coffee shop legitimately displays the Starbucks' logo, uses Starbucks' coffee, in Starbucks' cups, it is legitimate to call it a Starbucks.
I invite those who based their "delete" opinion on the challenge as to whether this coffee shop should be allowed to be called a Starbucks offer their alternate definition of what does and doesn't constitute a Starbucks. Geo Swan ( talk) 10:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Individual Starbucks outlets, in general, are not notable. Starbucks has over 15,000 outlets -- and most of them don't stand out. The topic of Starbucks at Guantanamo does stand out, because it has been represented as playing a key role in enabling the Guantanamo military commissions to go forward against individuals whose original confessions were inadmissible due to the extreme coersion used to extract them.
The topic of Starbucks at Guantanamo does stand out, without regard to whether the Starbucks coffee was purchased from a facility operated directly by Starbuck corporation, from a franchise liscensed from Starbucks corporation, or even a vending machine that dispensed Starbucks liscensed coffee -- because WP:RS referred to the use of "Starbucks coffee" as an effective alternative tool for encouraging suspects to incriminate themselves. Geo Swan ( talk) 15:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC) reply