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The result was delete. WP:SNOW The Bushranger One ping only 07:51, 13 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Space Patrol Chronicles

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This AfD is related to this AfD related to Warren Chaney. Long story short, this article is one of a few Chaney related articles that were created by SPAs. A look at the articles and its sources show the same issues as the America article. Very few of them can actually be verified and the ones that can be linked to show that they're pretty obviously unusable. What makes things worse is that many of the unverifiable sources claim to be published through outlets that have released work within at least the past 1-2 years, yet there's pretty much no record of these publications on the Internet. Now I will note that the publisher's website has images of the files, but I don't know that I can trust them given that there's pretty much zero record of these publications on the Internet. I have to assume that even if they do exist, the lack of information about them would make them unverifiable as far as editorial oversight goes and would thus make them unusable.

It also doesn't help that the article also relies quite heavily on sources that are primary in one way or another as in the case with the Swapsale links, which shows that the site sold these books at one point in time and the person who wrote the Swapsale review also knows Chaney. Furthermore, the article tries to claim that the sale page is actually a review for the books. On top of all of this, there are some links that are misrepresented as links that comment upon the book... but don't actually mention the book.

There are also links that are about the show as a whole. Notability is not inherited and as far as I can tell, these books are not official merchandise and I have to assume that this is someone's fanfiction. A look at the publisher shows that they only publish work by two authors, one of which is Chaney. Also interesting is that although the book page says that the publisher is located in London (per the infobox) the website says that it's American. I'm also uncertain as to whether or not Chaney is part of the publishing company or not. There's nothing to really back this up, but it's usually suspicious when a publisher only sells the work of 1-2 authors and is usually a sign that it was started by said individuals.

I've made a runthrough of the sources on the article's talk page and I'll post those here in a moment. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Here are the sources. I left off the last few since they were already used above and it'd be somewhat redundant to repost them. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Sources
  1. Amazon. Merchant sources cannot show notability and are inappropriate to add to an article in general. Unusable
  2. Chaney, Warren. Space Patrol – The Novel, Edge Publishing. This is, at best, a primary source and cannot show notability. Works do not gain notability by virtue of being published. Unusable
  3. IMDb. This is a listing for the TV series itself. The series might be notable, but the books do not inherit notability. If this is an official work then it might warrant being listed on the series page, but books (official or no) do not automatically inherit notability. This is also ignoring the issues with IMDb as a source as a whole. Unusable
  4. Radio Nouspace. This doesn't seem to actually mention the books at all and I also have to question whether the site would be a reliable source even if it did mention the books. Unusable
  5. Chaney, Warren. Space Patrol Chronicles – Missions of Daring, Books One and Two. Same issues as the other listings of the book - unable to show notability.
  6. Amazon. Same issues as above and is actually the same link. Unusable
  7. Science Fiction & The Space Patrol Chronicles, RetroGuideBook Magazine. This might be usable, however I would need to verify that this actually covers the books in question and isn't just mentioning the show or isn't an advert. I also don't like that I really can't find anything about this magazine, which is problematic considering the issues at the other AfD. Unusable until it can be verified.
  8. LA Times. This does not mention the books at all, so it cannot show notability for the works, as notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Unusable
  9. NY Times. Same issue here. Unusable
  10. Swapsale. This looks like the site was selling the book, which makes it a merchant source, which means it cannot be used to show notability. Unusable.
  11. Pippin, Ed, Books One & Two, Space Patrol Chronicles, Solar Guard, May 6, 2014. This is another source that has no link posted for us to verify what type of article it was - or even if it was an article. Now the other issue is that we have to determine what type of publication Solar Guard is and whether it'd be a RS. I think that it might be this site, which doesn't seem to be usable because it has no actual editorial oversight as far as I can see. It also doesn't help that Chaney has written for the site, so even if it was potential a RS it would be unusable since it'd be in the site's best interests to promote the works of someone who writes for the. I also need to note that although the website is still up, there's no record of the review being written. Unusable
  12. Swapsale. This is a review of the books, however the problem here is that since Swapsale was selling the books during this point in time it makes them a primary source a best. It's well within their best interests to write a review for the books - especially a positive one. It also doesn't help that the reviewer even states that they were sort of involved with the production of the books to some degree or at least knows Chaney. Unusable
  13. Swapsale. This is the sale page, yet it's represented as a review. No sale page will ever be seen as a review of the work because there's an inherent COI, since they want you to spend your money. Unusable.
  14. Pippen, Ed, Book Review-Space Patrol Chronicles, Solar Guard, May 20, 2014. This is another reference to the same review used above. Same issues apply. Unusable
  15. Sanborne, Jeffrey, Book Review, Ravenwood Literary Digest, May 8, 2014, p.11. This is another unverifiable link and a search for "Ravenwood Literary Digest" brings up nothing to show that this even exists. A search for the writer's name brings up nothing as well. It's very suspicious that there's absolutely no trace of either the digest or the writer, as this was supposed to have been written so recently. Unusable until it can be proven legitimate.
  16. Solar Guard. This is used in the reception section, however clicking on the link clearly shows that this is not a review for the book and instead covers Ed Kemmer. The book isn't even mentioned! Unusable
  17. Swapsale. Same COI review, still unusable.
  18. Macken, Jonathan B. The Science and the Fiction in The Space Patrol Chronicles, RetroGuideBook Magazine, April, 2015, p.97-99. This is another article by the same person for RetroGuideBook. The same issue applies: there's no record of this magazine at all. Given that this magazine is presumably still in publication, there should be record of it somewhere... and there's not any that I can find. Unusable until it can be proven legit.
  19. Ames, Dale. Space Patrol Chronicles, The Galaxy Patrol, May 2014. Same issues here. This is presumably a magazine or website, however a search brings up nothing to show that it actually exists. Unusable until it can be proven legit.
  20. Swapsale. Sale page, unusable
  21. Bassior, Jean-Noel, Space Patrol: Missions of Daring in the Name of Early Television. This book pre-dates the publication of this book, so its unusable for notability giving purposes.
  22. Terrace, Vincent. Crime Fighting Heroes, MacFarland & Company. Same issues, also unusable.
  23. Radio Nouspace. This is the same source as above, same issues. Unusable

Delete. None of the sources can be trusted, even those on the publisher's website, which is registered to Steven Deyo, supposed Director of Public Relations at Adjei Productions, which links back to Chaney himself. This isn't a publisher with any kind of reputation at all, existing only as a front for the American: A Call for Greatness website (itself registered to someone at Chaney's company) and the Space Patrol books. As with the reviewers of that 'film', the images of reviews from other publications can't be verified. Nor even can their publishers' existence. Oh, and as for the "Remington-Collier, London" tag, there's no record of this publisher with Companies House either. Steve  T •  C 23:06, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per lack of verifiability, as detailed by Tokyogirl79 and Steve. Erik ( talk |  contrib) ( ping me) 23:47, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Yet another use of WikiP for WP:SELFPROMOTION by this group of SPA's. My thanks to everyone involved for your work in uncovering this. MarnetteD| Talk 23:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per an epic failure in sourcing as analyzed above. Even if there is some legitimacy to the topic, what is currently here is unusable and requires deletion. — CactusWriter (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. This is getting curiouser and curiouser. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 00:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. It's on sale at Amazon, but there's no evidence that it ever received significant coverage in reliable sources. I'd agree with the prevailing opinion that it's best to TNT-delete these articles and start over from scratch once there are enough sources to potentially show notability. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 02:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per above — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. sst✈ (discuss) 07:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. sst✈ (discuss) 08:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, does not meet the significant coverage requirement of WP:GNG. sst✈ (discuss) 08:02, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete delete delete. No notability and no reliable sources. Permstrump ( talk) 09:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Space_Patrol_Chronicles&oldid=1068840554"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:SNOW The Bushranger One ping only 07:51, 13 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Space Patrol Chronicles

Space Patrol Chronicles (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This AfD is related to this AfD related to Warren Chaney. Long story short, this article is one of a few Chaney related articles that were created by SPAs. A look at the articles and its sources show the same issues as the America article. Very few of them can actually be verified and the ones that can be linked to show that they're pretty obviously unusable. What makes things worse is that many of the unverifiable sources claim to be published through outlets that have released work within at least the past 1-2 years, yet there's pretty much no record of these publications on the Internet. Now I will note that the publisher's website has images of the files, but I don't know that I can trust them given that there's pretty much zero record of these publications on the Internet. I have to assume that even if they do exist, the lack of information about them would make them unverifiable as far as editorial oversight goes and would thus make them unusable.

It also doesn't help that the article also relies quite heavily on sources that are primary in one way or another as in the case with the Swapsale links, which shows that the site sold these books at one point in time and the person who wrote the Swapsale review also knows Chaney. Furthermore, the article tries to claim that the sale page is actually a review for the books. On top of all of this, there are some links that are misrepresented as links that comment upon the book... but don't actually mention the book.

There are also links that are about the show as a whole. Notability is not inherited and as far as I can tell, these books are not official merchandise and I have to assume that this is someone's fanfiction. A look at the publisher shows that they only publish work by two authors, one of which is Chaney. Also interesting is that although the book page says that the publisher is located in London (per the infobox) the website says that it's American. I'm also uncertain as to whether or not Chaney is part of the publishing company or not. There's nothing to really back this up, but it's usually suspicious when a publisher only sells the work of 1-2 authors and is usually a sign that it was started by said individuals.

I've made a runthrough of the sources on the article's talk page and I'll post those here in a moment. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:58, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Here are the sources. I left off the last few since they were already used above and it'd be somewhat redundant to repost them. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Sources
  1. Amazon. Merchant sources cannot show notability and are inappropriate to add to an article in general. Unusable
  2. Chaney, Warren. Space Patrol – The Novel, Edge Publishing. This is, at best, a primary source and cannot show notability. Works do not gain notability by virtue of being published. Unusable
  3. IMDb. This is a listing for the TV series itself. The series might be notable, but the books do not inherit notability. If this is an official work then it might warrant being listed on the series page, but books (official or no) do not automatically inherit notability. This is also ignoring the issues with IMDb as a source as a whole. Unusable
  4. Radio Nouspace. This doesn't seem to actually mention the books at all and I also have to question whether the site would be a reliable source even if it did mention the books. Unusable
  5. Chaney, Warren. Space Patrol Chronicles – Missions of Daring, Books One and Two. Same issues as the other listings of the book - unable to show notability.
  6. Amazon. Same issues as above and is actually the same link. Unusable
  7. Science Fiction & The Space Patrol Chronicles, RetroGuideBook Magazine. This might be usable, however I would need to verify that this actually covers the books in question and isn't just mentioning the show or isn't an advert. I also don't like that I really can't find anything about this magazine, which is problematic considering the issues at the other AfD. Unusable until it can be verified.
  8. LA Times. This does not mention the books at all, so it cannot show notability for the works, as notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Unusable
  9. NY Times. Same issue here. Unusable
  10. Swapsale. This looks like the site was selling the book, which makes it a merchant source, which means it cannot be used to show notability. Unusable.
  11. Pippin, Ed, Books One & Two, Space Patrol Chronicles, Solar Guard, May 6, 2014. This is another source that has no link posted for us to verify what type of article it was - or even if it was an article. Now the other issue is that we have to determine what type of publication Solar Guard is and whether it'd be a RS. I think that it might be this site, which doesn't seem to be usable because it has no actual editorial oversight as far as I can see. It also doesn't help that Chaney has written for the site, so even if it was potential a RS it would be unusable since it'd be in the site's best interests to promote the works of someone who writes for the. I also need to note that although the website is still up, there's no record of the review being written. Unusable
  12. Swapsale. This is a review of the books, however the problem here is that since Swapsale was selling the books during this point in time it makes them a primary source a best. It's well within their best interests to write a review for the books - especially a positive one. It also doesn't help that the reviewer even states that they were sort of involved with the production of the books to some degree or at least knows Chaney. Unusable
  13. Swapsale. This is the sale page, yet it's represented as a review. No sale page will ever be seen as a review of the work because there's an inherent COI, since they want you to spend your money. Unusable.
  14. Pippen, Ed, Book Review-Space Patrol Chronicles, Solar Guard, May 20, 2014. This is another reference to the same review used above. Same issues apply. Unusable
  15. Sanborne, Jeffrey, Book Review, Ravenwood Literary Digest, May 8, 2014, p.11. This is another unverifiable link and a search for "Ravenwood Literary Digest" brings up nothing to show that this even exists. A search for the writer's name brings up nothing as well. It's very suspicious that there's absolutely no trace of either the digest or the writer, as this was supposed to have been written so recently. Unusable until it can be proven legitimate.
  16. Solar Guard. This is used in the reception section, however clicking on the link clearly shows that this is not a review for the book and instead covers Ed Kemmer. The book isn't even mentioned! Unusable
  17. Swapsale. Same COI review, still unusable.
  18. Macken, Jonathan B. The Science and the Fiction in The Space Patrol Chronicles, RetroGuideBook Magazine, April, 2015, p.97-99. This is another article by the same person for RetroGuideBook. The same issue applies: there's no record of this magazine at all. Given that this magazine is presumably still in publication, there should be record of it somewhere... and there's not any that I can find. Unusable until it can be proven legit.
  19. Ames, Dale. Space Patrol Chronicles, The Galaxy Patrol, May 2014. Same issues here. This is presumably a magazine or website, however a search brings up nothing to show that it actually exists. Unusable until it can be proven legit.
  20. Swapsale. Sale page, unusable
  21. Bassior, Jean-Noel, Space Patrol: Missions of Daring in the Name of Early Television. This book pre-dates the publication of this book, so its unusable for notability giving purposes.
  22. Terrace, Vincent. Crime Fighting Heroes, MacFarland & Company. Same issues, also unusable.
  23. Radio Nouspace. This is the same source as above, same issues. Unusable

Delete. None of the sources can be trusted, even those on the publisher's website, which is registered to Steven Deyo, supposed Director of Public Relations at Adjei Productions, which links back to Chaney himself. This isn't a publisher with any kind of reputation at all, existing only as a front for the American: A Call for Greatness website (itself registered to someone at Chaney's company) and the Space Patrol books. As with the reviewers of that 'film', the images of reviews from other publications can't be verified. Nor even can their publishers' existence. Oh, and as for the "Remington-Collier, London" tag, there's no record of this publisher with Companies House either. Steve  T •  C 23:06, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per lack of verifiability, as detailed by Tokyogirl79 and Steve. Erik ( talk |  contrib) ( ping me) 23:47, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Yet another use of WikiP for WP:SELFPROMOTION by this group of SPA's. My thanks to everyone involved for your work in uncovering this. MarnetteD| Talk 23:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per an epic failure in sourcing as analyzed above. Even if there is some legitimacy to the topic, what is currently here is unusable and requires deletion. — CactusWriter (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. This is getting curiouser and curiouser. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 00:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. It's on sale at Amazon, but there's no evidence that it ever received significant coverage in reliable sources. I'd agree with the prevailing opinion that it's best to TNT-delete these articles and start over from scratch once there are enough sources to potentially show notability. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 02:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per above — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. sst✈ (discuss) 07:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. sst✈ (discuss) 08:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, does not meet the significant coverage requirement of WP:GNG. sst✈ (discuss) 08:02, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Delete delete delete. No notability and no reliable sources. Permstrump ( talk) 09:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Space_Patrol_Chronicles&oldid=1068840554"

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