The result was no consensusā. This article was deleted at AfD 8 years ago, but as we all know, consensus can change, and 8 years is a more than reasonable amount of time for consensus to change. This unsourced article was nominated for deletion a few hours after it was created, and dozens of sources were added over the next 48 hours, so arguably WP:HEY would encourage us to grant the author a bit more leniency for now. With that said, sources that qualify to establish the notability of this rivalry were thin, and consensus was split on whether this rivalry has become notable in the time since the last article was deleted. My suggestion would be to allow interested editors to continue building this article and finding sources to establish its notability. If, after a reasonable amount of time (at least a couple months), there are still questions as to the notability of this rivalry, then it can be re-nominated for deletion and the full breadth of available sources can be analyzed. āā ScottyWongā ā 22:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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This page was nominated before in 2015 and deleted, discussion here. No sources cited in the new page. Per WP:GNG this is still not notable as a "football rivalry". All sources I can find are opinion pieces on how it should be considered one, of which I've found two. Glman99 ( talk) 01:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey, I just started this article tonight, and have not had time to add sources and a notable games section, but there are sources that cite this as a rivalry even dating back all the way to 2011. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/912769-south-carolina-vs-tennessee-10-little-known-facts-about-southern-rivalry. I would like a little more time to add sources
Ok, I added two notable games (I plan on filling in several more in that section) and added in citations (with more to come). I hope this is enough for now. I do think this merits a rivalry now, especially with the series being tied 9-9 since 2005, and the fact that for South Carolina, Knoxville is the second-closet SEC school by geography.
It also should be noted that Tennessee and South Carolina could be paired up as permanent rivals if the SEC moves to a 9 game schedule https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2022/06/03/sec-football-schedule-nine-conference-games-permanent-rivals-expansion/9986455002/ Also, if South Carolina and Missouri can have a wikipedia page, then this series definitely can too. South Carolina and Tennessee are close geographically and have played for 30 years consecutively. SC and Missouri have played 13 times. The situation has changed from 2015 given the games over the last few years. Also see Greenville Online newspaper "Still, it's odd the Gamecocks' 2024 schedule won't feature Georgia, Tennessee or Florida, a trio that ranks as arguably their biggest SEC rivals." As well as the state newspaper " In an annual SEC rivalry dating back to 1992, that is Tennesseeās largest point spread against South Carolina since Oct. 30, 1999, when the Gamecocks visited Neyland Stadium." https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article268820602.html#storylink=cpyāĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs)
Hey, I really am not trying to be argumentative or difficult, but I do not understand why this needs to be deleted. Just because it does not have a trophy does not mean it is not an important rivalry, as a trophy does not create animosity. Also, most SEC rivalries do not have trophies (none of Tennessee's other rivalries have one). This series has decided the east several times, and has a history of close competitive games. Also, the State Newspaper and Greenville Online are not blogs, they are reputable newspapers with widespread influence in South Carolina. They both quoted this as being a rivalry. I just dont understand what is harmful about having this page especially once I am able to finish out the notable games section. Its not like every rivalry that has its own page is Ohio State-Michigan, See Auburn-Ole Miss, Auburn-Tulane, Ole Miss-Tulane, LSU-Mississippi St, Georgia-Vanderbilt, Mississippi St-Alabama, Michigan-Northwestern. For instance, if Penn St and Maryland (Penn St leads 42-3-1) and Penn St Michigan can have pages, than certainly Tennessee and South Carolina can have one. I appreciate the concern and passion we have for college football rivalries, but do not understand what is harmful about a page for this series. There is a history here, and I have put time into making the page, and will continue to develop it. I really don't understand the need to delete it.āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs)
What do I need to do to provide "convincing evidence?" Those are two reputable sources that quote this as a rivalry. I just don't understand how this page is harming anyone. I have enjoyed learning about this series and it is clear there is a geographic and historical dislike between these teams. I have not even had time to finish it out and show the history of this rivalry through the Notable Games section. I don't get the benefit to deleting this articleāĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs) date (UTC)
Would you care to explain how this is not Notable (there are significant articles covering these games and results), It is also verifiable and reliable. Knoxville News, Greenville Online, and State Newspaper are all good sources, and I have added citations into the article. I feel as though this article is being targeted just because it failed in 2015, and not based on the merits of what is currently in it. I get that you disagree, but there really isn't a reason I can see that this article does not meet the standards. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs)
So sorry about the signing comments, I did not know that was something I needed to do, but see it now. I really do just want to say I appreciate your insight, and am happy to do whatever you think is necessary to improve this article. I would love to focus on improving it rather than deleting. Tnsc20 ( talk) 20:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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[1], [2] (govols 247 is a subset of Knoxville News Sentinel and USA Today Network), [3], and [4]. Again a reminder that the original Knox News article calls the two rivals in the title and does have a history of the rivalry and describes the important games over time. Tnsc20 ( talk) 22:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
The result was no consensusā. This article was deleted at AfD 8 years ago, but as we all know, consensus can change, and 8 years is a more than reasonable amount of time for consensus to change. This unsourced article was nominated for deletion a few hours after it was created, and dozens of sources were added over the next 48 hours, so arguably WP:HEY would encourage us to grant the author a bit more leniency for now. With that said, sources that qualify to establish the notability of this rivalry were thin, and consensus was split on whether this rivalry has become notable in the time since the last article was deleted. My suggestion would be to allow interested editors to continue building this article and finding sources to establish its notability. If, after a reasonable amount of time (at least a couple months), there are still questions as to the notability of this rivalry, then it can be re-nominated for deletion and the full breadth of available sources can be analyzed. āā ScottyWongā ā 22:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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This page was nominated before in 2015 and deleted, discussion here. No sources cited in the new page. Per WP:GNG this is still not notable as a "football rivalry". All sources I can find are opinion pieces on how it should be considered one, of which I've found two. Glman99 ( talk) 01:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey, I just started this article tonight, and have not had time to add sources and a notable games section, but there are sources that cite this as a rivalry even dating back all the way to 2011. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/912769-south-carolina-vs-tennessee-10-little-known-facts-about-southern-rivalry. I would like a little more time to add sources
Ok, I added two notable games (I plan on filling in several more in that section) and added in citations (with more to come). I hope this is enough for now. I do think this merits a rivalry now, especially with the series being tied 9-9 since 2005, and the fact that for South Carolina, Knoxville is the second-closet SEC school by geography.
It also should be noted that Tennessee and South Carolina could be paired up as permanent rivals if the SEC moves to a 9 game schedule https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2022/06/03/sec-football-schedule-nine-conference-games-permanent-rivals-expansion/9986455002/ Also, if South Carolina and Missouri can have a wikipedia page, then this series definitely can too. South Carolina and Tennessee are close geographically and have played for 30 years consecutively. SC and Missouri have played 13 times. The situation has changed from 2015 given the games over the last few years. Also see Greenville Online newspaper "Still, it's odd the Gamecocks' 2024 schedule won't feature Georgia, Tennessee or Florida, a trio that ranks as arguably their biggest SEC rivals." As well as the state newspaper " In an annual SEC rivalry dating back to 1992, that is Tennesseeās largest point spread against South Carolina since Oct. 30, 1999, when the Gamecocks visited Neyland Stadium." https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article268820602.html#storylink=cpyāĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs)
Hey, I really am not trying to be argumentative or difficult, but I do not understand why this needs to be deleted. Just because it does not have a trophy does not mean it is not an important rivalry, as a trophy does not create animosity. Also, most SEC rivalries do not have trophies (none of Tennessee's other rivalries have one). This series has decided the east several times, and has a history of close competitive games. Also, the State Newspaper and Greenville Online are not blogs, they are reputable newspapers with widespread influence in South Carolina. They both quoted this as being a rivalry. I just dont understand what is harmful about having this page especially once I am able to finish out the notable games section. Its not like every rivalry that has its own page is Ohio State-Michigan, See Auburn-Ole Miss, Auburn-Tulane, Ole Miss-Tulane, LSU-Mississippi St, Georgia-Vanderbilt, Mississippi St-Alabama, Michigan-Northwestern. For instance, if Penn St and Maryland (Penn St leads 42-3-1) and Penn St Michigan can have pages, than certainly Tennessee and South Carolina can have one. I appreciate the concern and passion we have for college football rivalries, but do not understand what is harmful about a page for this series. There is a history here, and I have put time into making the page, and will continue to develop it. I really don't understand the need to delete it.āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs)
What do I need to do to provide "convincing evidence?" Those are two reputable sources that quote this as a rivalry. I just don't understand how this page is harming anyone. I have enjoyed learning about this series and it is clear there is a geographic and historical dislike between these teams. I have not even had time to finish it out and show the history of this rivalry through the Notable Games section. I don't get the benefit to deleting this articleāĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs) date (UTC)
Would you care to explain how this is not Notable (there are significant articles covering these games and results), It is also verifiable and reliable. Knoxville News, Greenville Online, and State Newspaper are all good sources, and I have added citations into the article. I feel as though this article is being targeted just because it failed in 2015, and not based on the merits of what is currently in it. I get that you disagree, but there really isn't a reason I can see that this article does not meet the standards. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnsc20 ( talk ā¢ contribs)
So sorry about the signing comments, I did not know that was something I needed to do, but see it now. I really do just want to say I appreciate your insight, and am happy to do whatever you think is necessary to improve this article. I would love to focus on improving it rather than deleting. Tnsc20 ( talk) 20:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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[1], [2] (govols 247 is a subset of Knoxville News Sentinel and USA Today Network), [3], and [4]. Again a reminder that the original Knox News article calls the two rivals in the title and does have a history of the rivalry and describes the important games over time. Tnsc20 ( talk) 22:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)