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This seems like a slightly arbitrarily-chosen region of the state to have an article about. It's basically just a list of councils, plus a hint of advertising near the bottom. – numbermaniac 09:53, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment There are certainly references to South East Melbourne, but whether they all refer to the same area is another question. The Australian Bureau of Statistics, for example, has a "Statistical Area Level 4 Melbourne - South East" which does not include the Mornington Peninsula or Frankston (and per WP:GEOLAND, census tracts are not presumed notable anyway). There is a basketball team called South East Melbourne Phoenix, but quite why it's called that, I don't know - its headquarters are the State Basketball Centre which is in the City of Knox, not one of the municipalities listed in this article. Per WP:GEOLAND, I think this would count as a "Populated place without legal recognition", eg "informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods", and so would need to meet WP:GNG, and while I've seen plenty of mentions, I haven't yet seen SIGCOV. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 11:29, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment - there's a South East Melbourne plan (link here) - made up of a number of Council areas. If coverage is not significant enough, article can be redirected to Geography of Melbourne. Bookscale ( talk) 13:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, "South-East Melbourne" is a term that is used in various contexts but how to define it? ie. some publications: Baluk Wurrung: Stories from Aboriginal People in South East Melbourne, Future of Manufacturing in South East Melbourne: Summary of Report, Youth Access to Justice in South East Melbourne: A Discussion Paper, Sites of zoological significance of South East Melbourne and the Mornington Peninsula: A Compendium of Information Collected Between 1987 and 1991, and (mainly) government organisations: Melbourne - South East (SA4) (212) - ABS Statistical Region, South East Metropolitan - Vic Justice and Community Justice region ("The region covers 17 local government areas..."), "The South East Melbourne Group of Councils (SEM) includes the shires of Bass Coast, Cardinia and Mornington Peninsula and the cities of Casey, Frankston, Greater Dandenong and Kingston.", Victorian Electoral Commission - South Eastern Metropolitan Region profile, SEMMA - "SEMMA is a peak industry group representing more than 200 leading manufacturers located in Melbourne’s South East region.", unless more is found none of these would be wikidefinitive. Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:58, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Delete much like other areas not clearly defined, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East Central Minnesota, this fails GNG. --10:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Geography of Melbourne to enable any relevant content above (given there are reliable sources, although they all have slightly different definitions) to be inserted in that page if necessary. Bookscale ( talk) 12:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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This seems like a slightly arbitrarily-chosen region of the state to have an article about. It's basically just a list of councils, plus a hint of advertising near the bottom. – numbermaniac 09:53, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment There are certainly references to South East Melbourne, but whether they all refer to the same area is another question. The Australian Bureau of Statistics, for example, has a "Statistical Area Level 4 Melbourne - South East" which does not include the Mornington Peninsula or Frankston (and per WP:GEOLAND, census tracts are not presumed notable anyway). There is a basketball team called South East Melbourne Phoenix, but quite why it's called that, I don't know - its headquarters are the State Basketball Centre which is in the City of Knox, not one of the municipalities listed in this article. Per WP:GEOLAND, I think this would count as a "Populated place without legal recognition", eg "informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods", and so would need to meet WP:GNG, and while I've seen plenty of mentions, I haven't yet seen SIGCOV. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 11:29, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:54, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - there's a South East Melbourne plan (link here) - made up of a number of Council areas. If coverage is not significant enough, article can be redirected to Geography of Melbourne. Bookscale ( talk) 13:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, "South-East Melbourne" is a term that is used in various contexts but how to define it? ie. some publications: Baluk Wurrung: Stories from Aboriginal People in South East Melbourne, Future of Manufacturing in South East Melbourne: Summary of Report, Youth Access to Justice in South East Melbourne: A Discussion Paper, Sites of zoological significance of South East Melbourne and the Mornington Peninsula: A Compendium of Information Collected Between 1987 and 1991, and (mainly) government organisations: Melbourne - South East (SA4) (212) - ABS Statistical Region, South East Metropolitan - Vic Justice and Community Justice region ("The region covers 17 local government areas..."), "The South East Melbourne Group of Councils (SEM) includes the shires of Bass Coast, Cardinia and Mornington Peninsula and the cities of Casey, Frankston, Greater Dandenong and Kingston.", Victorian Electoral Commission - South Eastern Metropolitan Region profile, SEMMA - "SEMMA is a peak industry group representing more than 200 leading manufacturers located in Melbourne’s South East region.", unless more is found none of these would be wikidefinitive. Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:58, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Delete much like other areas not clearly defined, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East Central Minnesota, this fails GNG. --10:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Geography of Melbourne to enable any relevant content above (given there are reliable sources, although they all have slightly different definitions) to be inserted in that page if necessary. Bookscale ( talk) 12:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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