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The result was keep. consensus is that GNG is met, but that it should be renamed. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 13:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Sophie, Princess of Prussia
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No significant coverage in independent sources, those used in the article are either about her husband or their wedding. No notability career-wise, and I don't think being the wife of a great-great-grandson of a monarch is sufficient to confer notability. Note that the German Wikipedia does not have an article on her. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 11:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete There is a faction of people on here who believe being royalty is inherent and inherited notability (see below), but the standard is that any BLP must meet perceived GNG standards. Unfortunately, she does not. Trillfendi ( talk) 15:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Weak... keep? I guess. Today I nominated several articles about descendants of deposed monarchs for deletion: Karl-Konstantin von Habsburg, Andrea von Habsburg, Prince Adalbert of Bavaria, Princess Theresa of Bavaria, Michaela von Habsburg. These people are clearly obscure private citizens. I am not sure that this is a case of a lack of notability, however. She gained international publicity when she married the Hohenzollern heir. One might argue that this classifies as a WP:SINGLEEVENT case, but she is very much still around in the German media. In general, I support the effort to reevaluate the notability of this sort of people, as well as the manner in which their biographies are written. Surtsicna ( talk) 20:31, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. She already belongs to a royal family before her marriage of Prince of Prussia and the article's sources are reliable, so I think this article should be kept. JeBonSer ( talk | sign) 17:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a few sources cannot over come the fact the position has no power or recognition. At best this person can be mentioned briefly in an article on the royal house she is part of through marriage.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
14:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- A person does not need power or governmental recognition to be considered notable, however. Significant coverage by reliable sources is all that's needed. There is even the entire concept of being famous for being famous. Surtsicna ( talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna's rationale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:6C9A:42B2:C9B2:BEF4 ( talk) 18:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, no notability independent of her husband and her husbands article mentions her education etc so maybe merge anything not already mentioned into that article. - dwc lr ( talk) 10:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 10:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or move to her legal, untranslated name. It seems ludicrous to label living people "Prince or Princess of Prussia" since German royal titles were abolished more than 100 years ago and " on 25 February 1947, Prussia was officially proclaimed to be dissolved". Smeat75 ( talk) 14:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna. Richiepip ( talk) 18:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, qedk ( t 愛 c) 06:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, qedk ( t 愛 c) 06:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna. Subject has been covered extensively in both international and German media, she clearly passes GNG. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 08:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep this individual passes GNG- if only because of media interest in the nobility. JohnmgKing ( talk) 08:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep There are plenty of online sources for her, Govvy ( talk) 18:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Merge, delete, or weak keep, but not at this title. You can't be a Princess of Prussia because the Prussian royal family was deposed in 1918 and Prussia ceased to exist in 1947. Guy ( help!) 12:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per JohnmgKing, but also rename per JzG and Smeat75 -- DannyS712 ( talk) 08:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep but change the title. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 11:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. consensus is that GNG is met, but that it should be renamed. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 13:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Sophie, Princess of Prussia
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No significant coverage in independent sources, those used in the article are either about her husband or their wedding. No notability career-wise, and I don't think being the wife of a great-great-grandson of a monarch is sufficient to confer notability. Note that the German Wikipedia does not have an article on her. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 11:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete There is a faction of people on here who believe being royalty is inherent and inherited notability (see below), but the standard is that any BLP must meet perceived GNG standards. Unfortunately, she does not. Trillfendi ( talk) 15:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Weak... keep? I guess. Today I nominated several articles about descendants of deposed monarchs for deletion: Karl-Konstantin von Habsburg, Andrea von Habsburg, Prince Adalbert of Bavaria, Princess Theresa of Bavaria, Michaela von Habsburg. These people are clearly obscure private citizens. I am not sure that this is a case of a lack of notability, however. She gained international publicity when she married the Hohenzollern heir. One might argue that this classifies as a WP:SINGLEEVENT case, but she is very much still around in the German media. In general, I support the effort to reevaluate the notability of this sort of people, as well as the manner in which their biographies are written. Surtsicna ( talk) 20:31, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. She already belongs to a royal family before her marriage of Prince of Prussia and the article's sources are reliable, so I think this article should be kept. JeBonSer ( talk | sign) 17:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a few sources cannot over come the fact the position has no power or recognition. At best this person can be mentioned briefly in an article on the royal house she is part of through marriage.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
14:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- A person does not need power or governmental recognition to be considered notable, however. Significant coverage by reliable sources is all that's needed. There is even the entire concept of being famous for being famous. Surtsicna ( talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna's rationale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:6C9A:42B2:C9B2:BEF4 ( talk) 18:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, no notability independent of her husband and her husbands article mentions her education etc so maybe merge anything not already mentioned into that article. - dwc lr ( talk) 10:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 10:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or move to her legal, untranslated name. It seems ludicrous to label living people "Prince or Princess of Prussia" since German royal titles were abolished more than 100 years ago and " on 25 February 1947, Prussia was officially proclaimed to be dissolved". Smeat75 ( talk) 14:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna. Richiepip ( talk) 18:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, qedk ( t 愛 c) 06:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, qedk ( t 愛 c) 06:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Surtsicna. Subject has been covered extensively in both international and German media, she clearly passes GNG. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 08:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep this individual passes GNG- if only because of media interest in the nobility. JohnmgKing ( talk) 08:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep There are plenty of online sources for her, Govvy ( talk) 18:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Merge, delete, or weak keep, but not at this title. You can't be a Princess of Prussia because the Prussian royal family was deposed in 1918 and Prussia ceased to exist in 1947. Guy ( help!) 12:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per JohnmgKing, but also rename per JzG and Smeat75 -- DannyS712 ( talk) 08:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep but change the title. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 11:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.