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The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) — fortuna velut luna 12:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
- Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Fails WP:GNG, but passes WP:MILL, and WP:ENN. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Following related articles have been nominated as well:
- Zeiss Touit Planar T* 1.8/32mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Zeiss Loxia Distagon T* 2.8/21mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Zeiss Batis Distagon T* 2.8/18mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E 18-50mm F4-5.6 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E PZ 18-110mm F4 G OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OSS LE ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sigma 30mm f/2.8 DN Art ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 2.8/135mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sigma 60mm f/2.8 DN Art ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Delete - This is really more appropriate for a camera wiki, instead of Wikipedia. Fails WP:GNG. SophisticatedSwampert let's talk about that 19:36, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep This is appropriate for Wikipedia as it easily can achieve WP:GNG. There are numerous references available online including independent reviews and magazine appearances. Being suitable for a camera wiki does not make it unsuitable for Wikipedia. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 22:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a catalog of every product which is offered for sale. Most lenses and cameras which have been offered for sale in the last hundred years or so have had some reviews in photo magazines or more recently on websites. Coincidentally, those same magazines often received ad revenue from the makers of the products they reviewed and the websites which reviewed camera products typically had "click to buy" or a "shopping" tab, making it questionable whether they are "independent." Edison ( talk) 02:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete — WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:TOOSOON, borderline WP:ADVERT. May perhaps merit a mention in a more general article about the product family. There are sites and magazines dedicated to such merchandise which will advertize every product, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It should cover pioneering devices and technology but not catalog everything. Think about what people will be looking for in an encyclopedia in 20 years from now; they will expect coverage of but the most notable products, those which pioneered innovations and influenced a generation. This will also result in complete articles which have much to say rather than many stubs. — Paleo Neonate - 15:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per argument given at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 2.8/135mm. May elaborate further and more specifically, but the number of noms here is rather overwhelming and should probably have been bundled as the same argument applies to all. Samsara 13:10, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A counter argument has been made at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 2.8/135mm. —usernamekiran
(talk) 19:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep This is appropriate to have an article about and easily notable. You have misunderstood the word independent. Being a separate, reliable publication IS independence. WP is not paper, and just because you don't like these, doesn't mean they don't belong. Pschemp ( talk) 23:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) — fortuna velut luna 12:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
- Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails WP:GNG, but passes WP:MILL, and WP:ENN. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Following related articles have been nominated as well:
- Zeiss Touit Planar T* 1.8/32mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Zeiss Loxia Distagon T* 2.8/21mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Zeiss Batis Distagon T* 2.8/18mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E 18-50mm F4-5.6 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E PZ 18-110mm F4 G OSS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OSS LE ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sigma 30mm f/2.8 DN Art ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 2.8/135mm ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Sigma 60mm f/2.8 DN Art ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Delete - This is really more appropriate for a camera wiki, instead of Wikipedia. Fails WP:GNG. SophisticatedSwampert let's talk about that 19:36, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep This is appropriate for Wikipedia as it easily can achieve WP:GNG. There are numerous references available online including independent reviews and magazine appearances. Being suitable for a camera wiki does not make it unsuitable for Wikipedia. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 22:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a catalog of every product which is offered for sale. Most lenses and cameras which have been offered for sale in the last hundred years or so have had some reviews in photo magazines or more recently on websites. Coincidentally, those same magazines often received ad revenue from the makers of the products they reviewed and the websites which reviewed camera products typically had "click to buy" or a "shopping" tab, making it questionable whether they are "independent." Edison ( talk) 02:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete — WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:TOOSOON, borderline WP:ADVERT. May perhaps merit a mention in a more general article about the product family. There are sites and magazines dedicated to such merchandise which will advertize every product, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It should cover pioneering devices and technology but not catalog everything. Think about what people will be looking for in an encyclopedia in 20 years from now; they will expect coverage of but the most notable products, those which pioneered innovations and influenced a generation. This will also result in complete articles which have much to say rather than many stubs. — Paleo Neonate - 15:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per argument given at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 2.8/135mm. May elaborate further and more specifically, but the number of noms here is rather overwhelming and should probably have been bundled as the same argument applies to all. Samsara 13:10, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A counter argument has been made at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 2.8/135mm. —usernamekiran
(talk) 19:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep This is appropriate to have an article about and easily notable. You have misunderstood the word independent. Being a separate, reliable publication IS independence. WP is not paper, and just because you don't like these, doesn't mean they don't belong. Pschemp ( talk) 23:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.