The result of the debate was - kept
Note: The VfD notice has been removed from the article with a comment that the VfD was resolved with a consensus to keep. Isn't it traditional for the admin who does the counting to mark the VfD page with what the result was?
This is mostly advertising and lists of websites. Non-encyclopedic. Beyond that, I'm not sure if it's merely shameless self-promotion or an elaborate hoax. --
MarkSweep 04:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sollog discovered a 24 deep number sequence within the Fibonacci Sequence, the same number sequence he also found in primes. He did not discover Fibonacci, he discovered the hidden number sequence within it that is also within primes. There are close to 100,000 pages about sollog in usenet (see deja.com search now google.com groups search) James Randi has 30K and Uri Geller has 20K. Sollog has been at times one of the most searched for terms in search engines. I am a sollog fan and not sollog. KEEP
Sollog is a top subject for discussion on the net, that is why he needs a neutral page. While some like Geller and Randi have 20,000 or so pages in Usenet, Sollog has almost 100,000 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sollog&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
Sollog claims to have put info into usenet with time-stamps to prove he is psychic, the links below prove he is.
Sollog on 911 three years before it hit
http://theparanormal.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144 Note: 63.164.145.85 altered this link to http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6tb7rp%24gvr%241%40winter.news.erols.com
Sollog on March 11th Madrid Massacre two years before it hit
Lycos reporting Sollog was one of top search terms after 911
http://50.lycos.com/091701a.html
NY Times calling Sollog's 911 warning LUCKY GUESS
Therefore, due to immense interest in Sollog as usenet posts and national news references show, he should have a simple page with neutral info on it. Not slanders and insults like some have posted here who have done no research.
This is silly. Encyclopedias need to be open to a variety of information. To censor a particular person from it merely because his views are unconventional is entirely inappropriate. I have been on Sollog's email list for a couple of years. Even though I may not always agree with him, I always find him to be relevant. At times, he is voice in the wilderness - pleading for sanity in a world which has gone mad. In some ways, his style resembles that of Rajneesh (Osho). - Mark Foster -- Note: This is User:69.240.249.153's only edit.
Quoting crackpot pages isn't a NPOV source. Sollog puts out public prophecies each year and he has done what no other alledged psychic has, that being to give precise info about future events. KEEP SOLLOG and please don't make it quack page. Stick to the facts, Sollog releases prophecies and they keep hitting and hitting. Sollog has publicly challenged Randi to test him and Randi refused to set up a test. The fact is Sollog is a very popular modern day Nostradamus type psychic/seer etc. He is also the founder of TOH which has over 100,000 members. KEEP SOLLOG -- anonymous post from User:216.74.127.98 at 05:23, 4 Dec 2004, the first edit from this IP. All other edits are concerned with this article
Sollog's followers needs to learn some grammar and take an elementary composition class. Their contributions make no sense. A2Kafir 05:35, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Well, our anonymous editor, the one who created the
Sollog article, blanked this page in an act of vandalism. Another good reason to DELETE article.
A2Kafir 05:52, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - The article should either mention this guy's criminal record and self-admitted past involvement in the porn business (last time I heard, it was possible to sell porn legally), or be dropped. Another justification for deleting the article is that some of his current victims are creating a nuisance for Wikipedia that far outweighs the benefits of keeping it (this isn't the JFK assassination, for example). There are plenty of citations available on the web referring to his past, along with the utter hollowness of his claims as a prophet. Wyss
83.115.15.49 08:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) Note:
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83.115.15.491.(then lined-out by the original user
Wyss 13:03, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC), revised delete vote is below)
From TALK:SOLLOG
Hoary is carrying on a one person campaign against sollog. Even the original person who suggested removal is now for keeping the page. So why is hoary so intent on harassing and defaming sollog? Why is hoary harassing sollog fans by posting their IP addresses. Get a clue hoary sollog is a huge story on the net and he has been written about by many in the media, yet biased assholes like hoary keep linking to an article by a wack job nut i.e. howard altman. Why has altman written a half dozen or more articles on sollog? He's an unbalanced jerkoff that's why. Just like hoary, a person that hates sollog due to his religious beliefs. Get a life hoary and get a clue wikipedia, your mods have shown a complete bias in harassing sollog and his fans. Sollog fans post dozens of links to many sources, yet wiki things altman is the definitive source for sollog. This whole event is showing why wiki will never be a major source for anything. The mods remove relevant info and link to crap that is obvious libel. I've been in the various sollog forums and they are signing up people to sue the shit out of wiki. The grounds are sollog, wiki is knowingly posting to what is known libel. Altman claims alexander is sollog, anyone with a brain can see the 247 news article where an audio interview is given proving sollog is not alexander. Wiki claims to be unbiased yet hoary is a simpleton that is obviously biased and harassing sollog fans and sollog with his bullshit about this article.
Hoary is an absolute liar, he says no major media has done sollog articles. BULLSHIT. Oh no look I made a remark in all capital letters, well guess what, BULLSHIT is appropriate, that is an accurate description of what hoary has done. That is what wiki is due to assholes like hoary who make false remarks and then edit out proof they are nothing but liars.
These are sollog facts and since I've never wasted my time on a piece of crap like wiki, hoary will respond look this is their ONLY post from IP whatever. So what hoary, wiki is a piece of shit resource and intellects don't use it. Now here are sollog facts that prove hoary is nothing but a liar.
Hoary says no media and the NY Times has done sollog related articles. WRONG and a LIE.
1. Leo Phoenix aka Xinoelpoel was featured in a 911 article about how he had a 'lucky guess' as to his famous 911 warning. Leo Phoenix has publicly stated the reason he knew 911 would occur was due to Sollog's prophecies. After 911 occurred the Leo Phoenix story broke first in der Spiegel the largest paper in Germany, they did three articles on Sollog and his connections to Leo Phoenix. See
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,156988,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,157197,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,157198,00.html
English translations of these german articles from September 2001 are at
http://xinoehpoel.united.net.kg/xinoehpoel/xin-news_spiegelde.htm
Now it is a FACT that the NY Times did a sloppy bullshit article about the Leo Phoenix connection to 911, so this is IN FACT an article about the Sollog 911 warnings at the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/17/technology/17CRYP.html?todaysheadlines
So there you have the largest paper in Germany doing three articles on Sollog and the subject matter then hitting the NY Times with a well he got 'lucky' spin.
Now hoary the liar says the major media has no sollog info, as you can see the NY Times article is all about a well known Sollog connection to 911 and the largest paper in Germany did three articles about it. Now 911 was not the first and it isn't the last major story on the net involving sollog. Sollog appeared on several major radio shows in 1997 due to the internet buzz about how he predicted Diana's death in a US Federal court case. He was even on Alan Colmes radio show, he predicted Seattle would be hit with a quake and that week it was. Anyway, here is the Washington Post on Sollog, another hack article that leaves out all the facts. I guess hoary doesn't think the WP is a 'major' media source.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/diana/stories/net0908.htm
Another major Sollog hit was in regards to the DC Sniper, Sollog predicted such a rash of shootings in a prophecy. Even Fox News did a story and misquoted their source who later denied he called sollog crazy. Here's that article
http://www.247news.net/2002/20021012-fox.shtml
Wiki should do a fair article with links to relevant info about why sollog is so popular on the net. Sollog isn't famous for a 20 years old dui that was overturned, he is famous for 1. his prophecies 2. his books 3. his math theories
If wiki continues to harass sollog fans with multiple links to garbage by altman then it will end up in court and also face repeated vandalism.
Altman is not a fair and balanced source for sollog
I suggest wiki does somethingn like this
Sollog is a controversial figure well known on the internet with some mentions in main stream media as to his claims of paranormal abilities. Sollog's predictions or 'prophecies' have been released via usenet since 1996 or so. These are some of the predictions of sollog that has gathered interest around the world.
Sollog on 911
Sollog on Madrid Massacre (March 11th event)
Sollog on Great Bam Iran Quake 9(Hit Christmas Day at 9PM EST)
Then perhaps links to say the WP about Sollog's Diana Prophecy claims and Fox News about Sollog's DC Sniper Prophecy and the NY Times about the famous Sollog fan that hit 911
There is no valid reason to link to altman, it only makes sollog fans furious and it will make wiki have to undo all the vandalism such a link will generate and possible lawsuits it may manifest.
I suggest the mods censor hoary for his attacks and lies, I suggest the stop the voting for deletion since the original person has stated they think the article is fine now. The only questions are how can a neutral article about sollog be managed and what are proper links that won't end up in vandalism and lawsuits.
As you can see, there are plenty of major media references to sollog that do not give a full understanding on why he is so popular on the net.
For the few who will argue sollog is not popular, the sheer amount of web pages and usenet posts about him prove he is hugely popular and warrants a major article at wiki that analyses why he is so popular. Here is another good mention of Sollog in the major online media, Lycos noted he was a major search term after 911.
http://50.lycos.com/091701a.html
Here are recent mentions of Sollog in a major UK paper
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/02/fotw_0212/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/06/lady_di_inquest_scrambles_black/
Hoary now SHUT UP and get lost -- Note: The preceeding 'commentary' was from 208.54.95.129 at 15:10, 6 Dec 2004, whose only contributions since November 16th have been Sollog-related edits.
The poster of the long article gave excellent links to time-stamped articles in the google archive. One can go back to these usenet posts and see many posts in the archive proving they were placed there when the google time stamps show. Since 1996 sollog's prophecies and quake warnings have all been archived by first deja and now google. They have generated tons of responses, so the links above to the famous 911 warning, the madrid warning and the bam quake warning are excellent links to show sollog's prophecies. --- NB: The last paragraph was added by User:65.34.173.202 at 18:03, 6 Dec 2004. That user is identical to "The poster of the long article" (the original creator of the "Sollog" article), i.e. this is an instance of someone talking about themself in the third person. -- MarkSweep 00:09, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Google time stamps faked, you don't know what you're talking about. There are two dates on usenet posts archived by Google. One date can be faked, that is the date the poster puts on the post, however, the internal date when Google archived it can not be faked by anyone outside of google. Most skeptics ADMIT the sollog posts are real. They just say they see not connection to 911 in this post.
If you think you can fake a Google time stamp do it. Then link to the fake time stamp. Put the info above in a time stamp BEFORE 911 occurred and add your wiki handle. Guess what IT CAN'T BE DONE, you can get a fake stamp into usenet but not the Google archive.
Also, there is plenty of other posts about any sollog post by his fans and skeptics so you have tons of supporting posts.
Also, the most accurate 911 Prophecy isn't even the link above it is the link below which is supported by an article done by scumbag altman where he laughs at the Sollog warning for TERRORISM in NYC in SEPTEMBER, that warning was issued 9/02/1997 four years before 911 struck or 1470 days i.e. 147 is Sollog's birthday!
Here is that post with the Google time stamp saying TERRORISM NYC SEPTEMBER
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3413381B.64AE%40whatshotin.com
So a dumb person says it's fake. Then why did altman do an article on it dated 9/11/1997 laughing about how he notified the whitehouse and NYC mayors office.
Here is the article note 9/11/1997, I can see you saying now that altman is part of sollog's group, hahaha.
http://www.citypaper.net/articles/091197/article024.shtml
Now why don't you link to that altman article and note how on 9/11/1997 altman laughed at Sollog's TERRORISM WARNING for NYC in September and how altman spoke to the whitehouse about it. The reason is it proves the US Gov knew Sollog said TERRORISM WAS COMING TO NYC IN SEPTEMBER. They would have to admit that Sollog is the same person they detained for the OK city bombing.
So come on now let me see you write how the date of Sept 1997 is fake on the google post and the date of 9/11/1997 is fake on the altman article laughing at sollog saying MAJOR TERRORISM WAS TO HIT NYC IN SEPTEMBER.
You put the Sollog DC 911 warning together with the Sollog NYC warning and you have 911 to a T. --anonymous comment by User:65.34.173.202 at 01:43, 65.34.173.202
The 16th day of the 9th month is recorded as 16/9 in Euro dating.
169 is the square of the 13, the number of death.
This 16th day of the 9th month will be another day for TERRORISM!
A big bang in a big building.
I warned that 169 would die in Oklahoma city the month before it
happened. For ONE YEAR that was the number given in that BIG BANG.
WATCH FOR THE BIG BANG on the 16th day the 9th month. It is
GUARANTEED.
So in the PROPHECY Sollog clearly states SEPTEMBER is the date for the big bang, he said a major NYC media personality would be struck in October, what happened after 911? The NYC media was struck. Nothing happened to Rush? He went DEAF in October after 911, two Octobers later he gets fired and has to go to rehab for drugs. Both Stern and Guiliani got divorced from long term marriages, Guiliani got cancer. The Jew From NBC got killed/fired in October 1997 that was Marv Albert.
Now morons who can't read say the pope is alive, guess what, there was no direct mention of Pope John Paul II. It says pope know as john paul, pope john paul is a DEAD POPE, it says POPE OF SATAN, guess who died in October 1997? Anton Lavey aka POPE OF SATAN and POPE OF THE DEAD you know the founder of COS church of satan
Now clinton was struck after that prophecy he died/impeached due to guess what, stuff he did on 11/13, that was the key date in the lewinsky scandal when he started his affair with monica
One year after the prophecy was written flight 111 crashed in area with 902 as it's area code
And on 9/16/1997 a major act of terrorism did occur
Around that same time the Egypt Massacre occurred
The 902 Prophecy is the source and it lists all the people altman named, except he got confused like you, he saw Pope John Paul II, he's not there, the POPE OF SATAN was anton lavey who died when the great sollog said
There are thousands of posts in usenet about THE 902 PROPHECY since he has had tons of hits, you're the only person saying it is a hoax, altman even wrote about it way back on 9/11/1997 hahaha
Til this day the 902 Prophecy is working it's magic, let's see 9/02/2004 the 7th anniversay of the Prophecy guess who had a HEART ATTACK? Clinton hahaha
Sollog fans consider the 902 Prophecy one of Sollog's greatest Prophecies since it had so many hits and like the everready bunnie it keeps on going and going and going
Just like the 113 prophecy, it keeps hitting and hitting
Shuttle 113 destroyed
11/3 Madrid Massacre
Plus a ton of other major tragedies all connected to 113
From Low Man's Lyric: I am a member of TOH and the Altman links are very offensive to me. Please remove them, thank you. -- anonymous contribution from User:216.211.57.110 at 01:32, 8 Dec 2004. First edit from this IP
Sollog has many fans and if you dare to keep a sollog page at wiki it will be neutral or Sollog fans will deface it over and over and over. Plus wiki will end up getting SUED for trying to harass and defame members of TOH. You morons have shown you can't be 'neutral' so this whole idea 'wiki' is bullshit. It's a waste of time and it will be sued and put out of business.
SOLLOG RULES http://www.sollog.com that's what his fans say and the reason is simple HE KNOWS THE FUTURE you morons
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6tb7rp%24gvr%241%40winter.news.erols.com Note: The above was posted by 65.34.173.202, who has made a number of other comments on this page, Sollog, and Talk:Sollog
The result of the debate was - kept
Note: The VfD notice has been removed from the article with a comment that the VfD was resolved with a consensus to keep. Isn't it traditional for the admin who does the counting to mark the VfD page with what the result was?
This is mostly advertising and lists of websites. Non-encyclopedic. Beyond that, I'm not sure if it's merely shameless self-promotion or an elaborate hoax. --
MarkSweep 04:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sollog discovered a 24 deep number sequence within the Fibonacci Sequence, the same number sequence he also found in primes. He did not discover Fibonacci, he discovered the hidden number sequence within it that is also within primes. There are close to 100,000 pages about sollog in usenet (see deja.com search now google.com groups search) James Randi has 30K and Uri Geller has 20K. Sollog has been at times one of the most searched for terms in search engines. I am a sollog fan and not sollog. KEEP
Sollog is a top subject for discussion on the net, that is why he needs a neutral page. While some like Geller and Randi have 20,000 or so pages in Usenet, Sollog has almost 100,000 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sollog&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
Sollog claims to have put info into usenet with time-stamps to prove he is psychic, the links below prove he is.
Sollog on 911 three years before it hit
http://theparanormal.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144 Note: 63.164.145.85 altered this link to http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6tb7rp%24gvr%241%40winter.news.erols.com
Sollog on March 11th Madrid Massacre two years before it hit
Lycos reporting Sollog was one of top search terms after 911
http://50.lycos.com/091701a.html
NY Times calling Sollog's 911 warning LUCKY GUESS
Therefore, due to immense interest in Sollog as usenet posts and national news references show, he should have a simple page with neutral info on it. Not slanders and insults like some have posted here who have done no research.
This is silly. Encyclopedias need to be open to a variety of information. To censor a particular person from it merely because his views are unconventional is entirely inappropriate. I have been on Sollog's email list for a couple of years. Even though I may not always agree with him, I always find him to be relevant. At times, he is voice in the wilderness - pleading for sanity in a world which has gone mad. In some ways, his style resembles that of Rajneesh (Osho). - Mark Foster -- Note: This is User:69.240.249.153's only edit.
Quoting crackpot pages isn't a NPOV source. Sollog puts out public prophecies each year and he has done what no other alledged psychic has, that being to give precise info about future events. KEEP SOLLOG and please don't make it quack page. Stick to the facts, Sollog releases prophecies and they keep hitting and hitting. Sollog has publicly challenged Randi to test him and Randi refused to set up a test. The fact is Sollog is a very popular modern day Nostradamus type psychic/seer etc. He is also the founder of TOH which has over 100,000 members. KEEP SOLLOG -- anonymous post from User:216.74.127.98 at 05:23, 4 Dec 2004, the first edit from this IP. All other edits are concerned with this article
Sollog's followers needs to learn some grammar and take an elementary composition class. Their contributions make no sense. A2Kafir 05:35, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Well, our anonymous editor, the one who created the
Sollog article, blanked this page in an act of vandalism. Another good reason to DELETE article.
A2Kafir 05:52, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - The article should either mention this guy's criminal record and self-admitted past involvement in the porn business (last time I heard, it was possible to sell porn legally), or be dropped. Another justification for deleting the article is that some of his current victims are creating a nuisance for Wikipedia that far outweighs the benefits of keeping it (this isn't the JFK assassination, for example). There are plenty of citations available on the web referring to his past, along with the utter hollowness of his claims as a prophet. Wyss
83.115.15.49 08:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) Note:
63.164.145.85 altered this comment, changing the IP address to
83.115.15.491.(then lined-out by the original user
Wyss 13:03, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC), revised delete vote is below)
From TALK:SOLLOG
Hoary is carrying on a one person campaign against sollog. Even the original person who suggested removal is now for keeping the page. So why is hoary so intent on harassing and defaming sollog? Why is hoary harassing sollog fans by posting their IP addresses. Get a clue hoary sollog is a huge story on the net and he has been written about by many in the media, yet biased assholes like hoary keep linking to an article by a wack job nut i.e. howard altman. Why has altman written a half dozen or more articles on sollog? He's an unbalanced jerkoff that's why. Just like hoary, a person that hates sollog due to his religious beliefs. Get a life hoary and get a clue wikipedia, your mods have shown a complete bias in harassing sollog and his fans. Sollog fans post dozens of links to many sources, yet wiki things altman is the definitive source for sollog. This whole event is showing why wiki will never be a major source for anything. The mods remove relevant info and link to crap that is obvious libel. I've been in the various sollog forums and they are signing up people to sue the shit out of wiki. The grounds are sollog, wiki is knowingly posting to what is known libel. Altman claims alexander is sollog, anyone with a brain can see the 247 news article where an audio interview is given proving sollog is not alexander. Wiki claims to be unbiased yet hoary is a simpleton that is obviously biased and harassing sollog fans and sollog with his bullshit about this article.
Hoary is an absolute liar, he says no major media has done sollog articles. BULLSHIT. Oh no look I made a remark in all capital letters, well guess what, BULLSHIT is appropriate, that is an accurate description of what hoary has done. That is what wiki is due to assholes like hoary who make false remarks and then edit out proof they are nothing but liars.
These are sollog facts and since I've never wasted my time on a piece of crap like wiki, hoary will respond look this is their ONLY post from IP whatever. So what hoary, wiki is a piece of shit resource and intellects don't use it. Now here are sollog facts that prove hoary is nothing but a liar.
Hoary says no media and the NY Times has done sollog related articles. WRONG and a LIE.
1. Leo Phoenix aka Xinoelpoel was featured in a 911 article about how he had a 'lucky guess' as to his famous 911 warning. Leo Phoenix has publicly stated the reason he knew 911 would occur was due to Sollog's prophecies. After 911 occurred the Leo Phoenix story broke first in der Spiegel the largest paper in Germany, they did three articles on Sollog and his connections to Leo Phoenix. See
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,156988,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,157197,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,157198,00.html
English translations of these german articles from September 2001 are at
http://xinoehpoel.united.net.kg/xinoehpoel/xin-news_spiegelde.htm
Now it is a FACT that the NY Times did a sloppy bullshit article about the Leo Phoenix connection to 911, so this is IN FACT an article about the Sollog 911 warnings at the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/17/technology/17CRYP.html?todaysheadlines
So there you have the largest paper in Germany doing three articles on Sollog and the subject matter then hitting the NY Times with a well he got 'lucky' spin.
Now hoary the liar says the major media has no sollog info, as you can see the NY Times article is all about a well known Sollog connection to 911 and the largest paper in Germany did three articles about it. Now 911 was not the first and it isn't the last major story on the net involving sollog. Sollog appeared on several major radio shows in 1997 due to the internet buzz about how he predicted Diana's death in a US Federal court case. He was even on Alan Colmes radio show, he predicted Seattle would be hit with a quake and that week it was. Anyway, here is the Washington Post on Sollog, another hack article that leaves out all the facts. I guess hoary doesn't think the WP is a 'major' media source.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/diana/stories/net0908.htm
Another major Sollog hit was in regards to the DC Sniper, Sollog predicted such a rash of shootings in a prophecy. Even Fox News did a story and misquoted their source who later denied he called sollog crazy. Here's that article
http://www.247news.net/2002/20021012-fox.shtml
Wiki should do a fair article with links to relevant info about why sollog is so popular on the net. Sollog isn't famous for a 20 years old dui that was overturned, he is famous for 1. his prophecies 2. his books 3. his math theories
If wiki continues to harass sollog fans with multiple links to garbage by altman then it will end up in court and also face repeated vandalism.
Altman is not a fair and balanced source for sollog
I suggest wiki does somethingn like this
Sollog is a controversial figure well known on the internet with some mentions in main stream media as to his claims of paranormal abilities. Sollog's predictions or 'prophecies' have been released via usenet since 1996 or so. These are some of the predictions of sollog that has gathered interest around the world.
Sollog on 911
Sollog on Madrid Massacre (March 11th event)
Sollog on Great Bam Iran Quake 9(Hit Christmas Day at 9PM EST)
Then perhaps links to say the WP about Sollog's Diana Prophecy claims and Fox News about Sollog's DC Sniper Prophecy and the NY Times about the famous Sollog fan that hit 911
There is no valid reason to link to altman, it only makes sollog fans furious and it will make wiki have to undo all the vandalism such a link will generate and possible lawsuits it may manifest.
I suggest the mods censor hoary for his attacks and lies, I suggest the stop the voting for deletion since the original person has stated they think the article is fine now. The only questions are how can a neutral article about sollog be managed and what are proper links that won't end up in vandalism and lawsuits.
As you can see, there are plenty of major media references to sollog that do not give a full understanding on why he is so popular on the net.
For the few who will argue sollog is not popular, the sheer amount of web pages and usenet posts about him prove he is hugely popular and warrants a major article at wiki that analyses why he is so popular. Here is another good mention of Sollog in the major online media, Lycos noted he was a major search term after 911.
http://50.lycos.com/091701a.html
Here are recent mentions of Sollog in a major UK paper
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/02/fotw_0212/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/06/lady_di_inquest_scrambles_black/
Hoary now SHUT UP and get lost -- Note: The preceeding 'commentary' was from 208.54.95.129 at 15:10, 6 Dec 2004, whose only contributions since November 16th have been Sollog-related edits.
The poster of the long article gave excellent links to time-stamped articles in the google archive. One can go back to these usenet posts and see many posts in the archive proving they were placed there when the google time stamps show. Since 1996 sollog's prophecies and quake warnings have all been archived by first deja and now google. They have generated tons of responses, so the links above to the famous 911 warning, the madrid warning and the bam quake warning are excellent links to show sollog's prophecies. --- NB: The last paragraph was added by User:65.34.173.202 at 18:03, 6 Dec 2004. That user is identical to "The poster of the long article" (the original creator of the "Sollog" article), i.e. this is an instance of someone talking about themself in the third person. -- MarkSweep 00:09, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Google time stamps faked, you don't know what you're talking about. There are two dates on usenet posts archived by Google. One date can be faked, that is the date the poster puts on the post, however, the internal date when Google archived it can not be faked by anyone outside of google. Most skeptics ADMIT the sollog posts are real. They just say they see not connection to 911 in this post.
If you think you can fake a Google time stamp do it. Then link to the fake time stamp. Put the info above in a time stamp BEFORE 911 occurred and add your wiki handle. Guess what IT CAN'T BE DONE, you can get a fake stamp into usenet but not the Google archive.
Also, there is plenty of other posts about any sollog post by his fans and skeptics so you have tons of supporting posts.
Also, the most accurate 911 Prophecy isn't even the link above it is the link below which is supported by an article done by scumbag altman where he laughs at the Sollog warning for TERRORISM in NYC in SEPTEMBER, that warning was issued 9/02/1997 four years before 911 struck or 1470 days i.e. 147 is Sollog's birthday!
Here is that post with the Google time stamp saying TERRORISM NYC SEPTEMBER
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3413381B.64AE%40whatshotin.com
So a dumb person says it's fake. Then why did altman do an article on it dated 9/11/1997 laughing about how he notified the whitehouse and NYC mayors office.
Here is the article note 9/11/1997, I can see you saying now that altman is part of sollog's group, hahaha.
http://www.citypaper.net/articles/091197/article024.shtml
Now why don't you link to that altman article and note how on 9/11/1997 altman laughed at Sollog's TERRORISM WARNING for NYC in September and how altman spoke to the whitehouse about it. The reason is it proves the US Gov knew Sollog said TERRORISM WAS COMING TO NYC IN SEPTEMBER. They would have to admit that Sollog is the same person they detained for the OK city bombing.
So come on now let me see you write how the date of Sept 1997 is fake on the google post and the date of 9/11/1997 is fake on the altman article laughing at sollog saying MAJOR TERRORISM WAS TO HIT NYC IN SEPTEMBER.
You put the Sollog DC 911 warning together with the Sollog NYC warning and you have 911 to a T. --anonymous comment by User:65.34.173.202 at 01:43, 65.34.173.202
The 16th day of the 9th month is recorded as 16/9 in Euro dating.
169 is the square of the 13, the number of death.
This 16th day of the 9th month will be another day for TERRORISM!
A big bang in a big building.
I warned that 169 would die in Oklahoma city the month before it
happened. For ONE YEAR that was the number given in that BIG BANG.
WATCH FOR THE BIG BANG on the 16th day the 9th month. It is
GUARANTEED.
So in the PROPHECY Sollog clearly states SEPTEMBER is the date for the big bang, he said a major NYC media personality would be struck in October, what happened after 911? The NYC media was struck. Nothing happened to Rush? He went DEAF in October after 911, two Octobers later he gets fired and has to go to rehab for drugs. Both Stern and Guiliani got divorced from long term marriages, Guiliani got cancer. The Jew From NBC got killed/fired in October 1997 that was Marv Albert.
Now morons who can't read say the pope is alive, guess what, there was no direct mention of Pope John Paul II. It says pope know as john paul, pope john paul is a DEAD POPE, it says POPE OF SATAN, guess who died in October 1997? Anton Lavey aka POPE OF SATAN and POPE OF THE DEAD you know the founder of COS church of satan
Now clinton was struck after that prophecy he died/impeached due to guess what, stuff he did on 11/13, that was the key date in the lewinsky scandal when he started his affair with monica
One year after the prophecy was written flight 111 crashed in area with 902 as it's area code
And on 9/16/1997 a major act of terrorism did occur
Around that same time the Egypt Massacre occurred
The 902 Prophecy is the source and it lists all the people altman named, except he got confused like you, he saw Pope John Paul II, he's not there, the POPE OF SATAN was anton lavey who died when the great sollog said
There are thousands of posts in usenet about THE 902 PROPHECY since he has had tons of hits, you're the only person saying it is a hoax, altman even wrote about it way back on 9/11/1997 hahaha
Til this day the 902 Prophecy is working it's magic, let's see 9/02/2004 the 7th anniversay of the Prophecy guess who had a HEART ATTACK? Clinton hahaha
Sollog fans consider the 902 Prophecy one of Sollog's greatest Prophecies since it had so many hits and like the everready bunnie it keeps on going and going and going
Just like the 113 prophecy, it keeps hitting and hitting
Shuttle 113 destroyed
11/3 Madrid Massacre
Plus a ton of other major tragedies all connected to 113
From Low Man's Lyric: I am a member of TOH and the Altman links are very offensive to me. Please remove them, thank you. -- anonymous contribution from User:216.211.57.110 at 01:32, 8 Dec 2004. First edit from this IP
Sollog has many fans and if you dare to keep a sollog page at wiki it will be neutral or Sollog fans will deface it over and over and over. Plus wiki will end up getting SUED for trying to harass and defame members of TOH. You morons have shown you can't be 'neutral' so this whole idea 'wiki' is bullshit. It's a waste of time and it will be sued and put out of business.
SOLLOG RULES http://www.sollog.com that's what his fans say and the reason is simple HE KNOWS THE FUTURE you morons
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6tb7rp%24gvr%241%40winter.news.erols.com Note: The above was posted by 65.34.173.202, who has made a number of other comments on this page, Sollog, and Talk:Sollog