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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Kraxler ( talk) 18:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Smith & Wesson Model 460
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Article has no reference that WP:V verifies the WP:GNG notability of this subject. Googling mostly turn up trivial mentions in mainstream media. It therefore doesn't appear this product had any particular significance with regards to world history, its intended market, the development of handguns or firearms in general. AadaamS ( talk) 06:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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OPPOSE...I have no idea what AadaamS is talking about...My GOOGLE search on the S&W 460 scored 557,000 hits. The fist page alone showed articles by GUNS & AMMO, OUTDOOR LIFE, and SPORTSMAN'S GUIDE, and is currently listed in the S&W catalog http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757767_-1_757751_757751_image. It clearly meets all Wiki notability guidelines.-- RAF910 ( talk) 16:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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- When I google I only get sales outlets on the first three pages and only two trade magazines. It could be due to my other surfing habits that Google tracks. At any rate, the S&W catalog as a primary source can only verify the existence of this revolver, not its notability. How does the Guns & Ammo, Outdoor Life sources demonstrate this revolver is notable? Has it sold in unusually large numbers? Has it been adopted by police, border security forces or foresters? Is it innovative? Please be specific.
AadaamS (
talk) 21:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Competence is required...to claim that GUNS & AMMO is not a notable source of information on guns is the equivalent of claiming that CAR & DRIVER is not a notable source of information on cars. Combined with his other comments it is clear that
AadaamS incompetent on this subject matter. While I have no doubt that
AadaamS is honestly trying to help, the article does not need to be deleted because it lacks references. The article simply needs a few references which I have just added.--
RAF910 (
talk) 16:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- The Guns & Ammo reference http://www.gunsandammo.com/video/new-smith-wesson-460xvr-model-929-performance-center-revolvers/ only describes the features of this revolver, it doesn't explain why this revolver is important. It doesn't outline its long history, it doesn't name any innovative features. It's simply a description for a commercial firearm with a buyer's instruction. The same goes for the Outdoor Life article, it only describes the features and the usage of this piece of machinery: http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/hunting/2007/09/gun-review-smith-wessons-460xvr-revolver. I think this revolver's best claim so far to notability would be that its number of review (number according to User:RAF910) could amount to significant coverage per WP:SIGCOV. I never said that Guns & Ammo mag itself isn't notable, so don't attack me for it. The notability of that magazine dosn't endow notability on every weapon it reviews because notability can't be inherited. AadaamS ( talk) 20:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Competence is required...to claim that GUNS & AMMO is not a notable source of information on guns is the equivalent of claiming that CAR & DRIVER is not a notable source of information on cars. Combined with his other comments it is clear that
AadaamS incompetent on this subject matter. While I have no doubt that
AadaamS is honestly trying to help, the article does not need to be deleted because it lacks references. The article simply needs a few references which I have just added.--
RAF910 (
talk) 16:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep this nomination is completely absurd. This revolver and its slightly larger counterpart represent the top threshold of power fired from a handgun round offered by a factory. These are not "one-off" custom pieces but mainstream offerings that have changed the game of handgun hunting in America and Africa to the degree that companies offering bolt action pistols chambered in rifle rounds such as the Savage Striker have eliminated those product lines. The cartridge design and the rifling in the bore are completely unique and represent a working dynamic between S&W, Cor-Bon and Hornady to produce a powerful round in a versatile revolver.-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong keep per above. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 20:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Kraxler ( talk) 18:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Smith & Wesson Model 460
- Smith & Wesson Model 460 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article has no reference that WP:V verifies the WP:GNG notability of this subject. Googling mostly turn up trivial mentions in mainstream media. It therefore doesn't appear this product had any particular significance with regards to world history, its intended market, the development of handguns or firearms in general. AadaamS ( talk) 06:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States-related deletion discussions. Arr4 ( talk) 07:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Firearms-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 14:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
OPPOSE...I have no idea what AadaamS is talking about...My GOOGLE search on the S&W 460 scored 557,000 hits. The fist page alone showed articles by GUNS & AMMO, OUTDOOR LIFE, and SPORTSMAN'S GUIDE, and is currently listed in the S&W catalog http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757767_-1_757751_757751_image. It clearly meets all Wiki notability guidelines.-- RAF910 ( talk) 16:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- When I google I only get sales outlets on the first three pages and only two trade magazines. It could be due to my other surfing habits that Google tracks. At any rate, the S&W catalog as a primary source can only verify the existence of this revolver, not its notability. How does the Guns & Ammo, Outdoor Life sources demonstrate this revolver is notable? Has it sold in unusually large numbers? Has it been adopted by police, border security forces or foresters? Is it innovative? Please be specific.
AadaamS (
talk) 21:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
-
Wikipedia:Competence is required...to claim that GUNS & AMMO is not a notable source of information on guns is the equivalent of claiming that CAR & DRIVER is not a notable source of information on cars. Combined with his other comments it is clear that
AadaamS incompetent on this subject matter. While I have no doubt that
AadaamS is honestly trying to help, the article does not need to be deleted because it lacks references. The article simply needs a few references which I have just added.--
RAF910 (
talk) 16:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- The Guns & Ammo reference http://www.gunsandammo.com/video/new-smith-wesson-460xvr-model-929-performance-center-revolvers/ only describes the features of this revolver, it doesn't explain why this revolver is important. It doesn't outline its long history, it doesn't name any innovative features. It's simply a description for a commercial firearm with a buyer's instruction. The same goes for the Outdoor Life article, it only describes the features and the usage of this piece of machinery: http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/hunting/2007/09/gun-review-smith-wessons-460xvr-revolver. I think this revolver's best claim so far to notability would be that its number of review (number according to User:RAF910) could amount to significant coverage per WP:SIGCOV. I never said that Guns & Ammo mag itself isn't notable, so don't attack me for it. The notability of that magazine dosn't endow notability on every weapon it reviews because notability can't be inherited. AadaamS ( talk) 20:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Competence is required...to claim that GUNS & AMMO is not a notable source of information on guns is the equivalent of claiming that CAR & DRIVER is not a notable source of information on cars. Combined with his other comments it is clear that
AadaamS incompetent on this subject matter. While I have no doubt that
AadaamS is honestly trying to help, the article does not need to be deleted because it lacks references. The article simply needs a few references which I have just added.--
RAF910 (
talk) 16:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep this nomination is completely absurd. This revolver and its slightly larger counterpart represent the top threshold of power fired from a handgun round offered by a factory. These are not "one-off" custom pieces but mainstream offerings that have changed the game of handgun hunting in America and Africa to the degree that companies offering bolt action pistols chambered in rifle rounds such as the Savage Striker have eliminated those product lines. The cartridge design and the rifling in the bore are completely unique and represent a working dynamic between S&W, Cor-Bon and Hornady to produce a powerful round in a versatile revolver.-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong keep per above. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 20:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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