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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Promotional article for relatively minor site. Beyond my abilities to clean. Lack of notability is not the only reason for deletion. Borderline notability combined with clear promotionalism is an equally good reason. Small variations to the notability standard either way do not fundamentally harm the encyclopedia, but accepting articles that are part of a promotional campaign causes great damage. Once we become a vehicle for promotion, we're useless as an encyclopedia
Most of the material on the page is isolated mentions, or the company's own announcement of features, or readership rankings. The admitted coi editor who removed my prod has "asked our comms dept to bring this page up to date as there are a number of additional notable mentions..." DGG ( talk ) 19:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Promotional language isn't the issue here. That IS an issue, but a separate one. One that can be fixed. And once this debate is settled, if the result is keep, the article will have to be brought in line with standards. It's only survived in its current state for this long because it has flown under the radar, however from now on I'm sure a number of editors will be aware of it and tone it down considerably. The only issue being discussed here with regards to deletion is notability. Highlighting websites that appear less notable isn't a valid argument in support of your page. If you think they fail notability, you can nominate it whilst putting forward your case based on notability guidelines (although I wouldn't suggest doing it as a purely retaliatory move). Number of references again is not an appropriate manner in which to judge an article. Tyson Fury's page has half the number of references of Skiddle, but it's not going to be deleted because that's not part of the criteria eligibility and notability is measured on. Technically, if we're whipping out Alexa ranks, RA is a more global site and ranks higher than skiddle. It also has 4 times as many FB likes and genuine engagement. And a Webby Award. Issues such as you considering it being a sad day that PR generated drives wiki qualification is a personal view, as there are published guidelines against which these debates are considered. Similarly, vouching for a website on your first contribution does not sway the discussion because the ways these things are assessed is pre-agreed, not influenced by personal opinion, no matter how passionate they are. Rayman60 ( talk) 01:21, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion was subject to a
deletion review on 2015 November 30. For an explanation of the process, see Wikipedia:Deletion review. |
The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Promotional article for relatively minor site. Beyond my abilities to clean. Lack of notability is not the only reason for deletion. Borderline notability combined with clear promotionalism is an equally good reason. Small variations to the notability standard either way do not fundamentally harm the encyclopedia, but accepting articles that are part of a promotional campaign causes great damage. Once we become a vehicle for promotion, we're useless as an encyclopedia
Most of the material on the page is isolated mentions, or the company's own announcement of features, or readership rankings. The admitted coi editor who removed my prod has "asked our comms dept to bring this page up to date as there are a number of additional notable mentions..." DGG ( talk ) 19:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Promotional language isn't the issue here. That IS an issue, but a separate one. One that can be fixed. And once this debate is settled, if the result is keep, the article will have to be brought in line with standards. It's only survived in its current state for this long because it has flown under the radar, however from now on I'm sure a number of editors will be aware of it and tone it down considerably. The only issue being discussed here with regards to deletion is notability. Highlighting websites that appear less notable isn't a valid argument in support of your page. If you think they fail notability, you can nominate it whilst putting forward your case based on notability guidelines (although I wouldn't suggest doing it as a purely retaliatory move). Number of references again is not an appropriate manner in which to judge an article. Tyson Fury's page has half the number of references of Skiddle, but it's not going to be deleted because that's not part of the criteria eligibility and notability is measured on. Technically, if we're whipping out Alexa ranks, RA is a more global site and ranks higher than skiddle. It also has 4 times as many FB likes and genuine engagement. And a Webby Award. Issues such as you considering it being a sad day that PR generated drives wiki qualification is a personal view, as there are published guidelines against which these debates are considered. Similarly, vouching for a website on your first contribution does not sway the discussion because the ways these things are assessed is pre-agreed, not influenced by personal opinion, no matter how passionate they are. Rayman60 ( talk) 01:21, 29 November 2015 (UTC)