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The result was keep. I'm not clear what "notability" of someone's filmography, rather than themselves as an acting professional, is being looked for here; that notwithstanding, this seems like a good application of WP:SPLIT, as several of the users in the discussion have pointed out. Notability doesn't really affect that, it's just size and content relevance. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Actress isn't notable enough on her own and hasn't starred in enough notable films/television shows (though I cannot find any notability guidelines on filmographies) to merit her own filmography page, and instead this should be merged onto her own page. ser! ( let's discuss it). 17:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep: this seems to be more of a WP:SPLIT situation based on size rather than notability. Finneran's credits are large enough at present, and they will only grow. – DarkGlow ( talk) 18:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: out of interest, is there a policy anywhere regarding the size of credit lists and whether they should be split or not, or is that just on a case by case basis?
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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Ser!: I've never come across one. I think it should be something that's looked into creating, since filmography articles are common. –
DarkGlow (
talk)
23:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Aye, I'd agree with you there. Definitely something for the relevant WikiProject people to look into! ser! ( let's discuss it). 23:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- @
Ser!: I've never come across one. I think it should be something that's looked into creating, since filmography articles are common. –
DarkGlow (
talk)
23:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: out of interest, is there a policy anywhere regarding the size of credit lists and whether they should be split or not, or is that just on a case by case basis?
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Finneran is a popular and busy actor whose list of works will continue to increase. Surely her notability is not in question? Poltair ( talk) 21:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not in doubt to have her own personal page if that's what you're asking, merely not for her own filmography page, for which I haven't seen precedent for actors of similar notability.
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your helpful clarification. It seems that the relevant policy is WP:SPLIT as DarkGlow suggests, and that there isn't a clear policy on when a split should occur based on the size of credit lists or the notability of performers. It might have been preferable that the split be discussed as per WP:PROSPLIT, at which the issues of article size and notability may have been raised, but that didn't happen and the filmography now exists. In regard to article size, if the articles were merged this would total 50-60,000 characters which is in the region of consideration for a split as per WP:SIZESPLIT, depending of course whether credit lists are included in 'readable prose'. In regard to notability, I don't think there is an issue as she has had prominent, if not starring roles, in several internationally distributed and acclaimed productions. I don't think that the project is improved by remerging the filmography and am still of the opinion that the split should stand Poltair ( talk) 07:55, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not in doubt to have her own personal page if that's what you're asking, merely not for her own filmography page, for which I haven't seen precedent for actors of similar notability.
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The actress has an enormous list of television credits. Slobberdan ( talk) 22:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment "Actress isn't notable enough on her own" I don't think is relevant to this discussion, as she already has her own page which is not disputed. Slobberdan ( talk) 22:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah I'd appreciate if you would read my reply to Poltair above ser! ( let's discuss it). 23:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep with the opening comment of "Actress isn't notable enough on her own", I was expecting to see a one-line stub about her, but that's not the case. Seems a pefect example of WP:SPLIT to have a stand-alone list. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:12, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. I'm not clear what "notability" of someone's filmography, rather than themselves as an acting professional, is being looked for here; that notwithstanding, this seems like a good application of WP:SPLIT, as several of the users in the discussion have pointed out. Notability doesn't really affect that, it's just size and content relevance. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Siobhan Finneran filmography ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Actress isn't notable enough on her own and hasn't starred in enough notable films/television shows (though I cannot find any notability guidelines on filmographies) to merit her own filmography page, and instead this should be merged onto her own page. ser! ( let's discuss it). 17:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. ser! ( let's discuss it). 17:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. ser! ( let's discuss it). 17:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. ser! ( let's discuss it). 17:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: this seems to be more of a WP:SPLIT situation based on size rather than notability. Finneran's credits are large enough at present, and they will only grow. – DarkGlow ( talk) 18:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: out of interest, is there a policy anywhere regarding the size of credit lists and whether they should be split or not, or is that just on a case by case basis?
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- @
Ser!: I've never come across one. I think it should be something that's looked into creating, since filmography articles are common. –
DarkGlow (
talk)
23:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Aye, I'd agree with you there. Definitely something for the relevant WikiProject people to look into! ser! ( let's discuss it). 23:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- @
Ser!: I've never come across one. I think it should be something that's looked into creating, since filmography articles are common. –
DarkGlow (
talk)
23:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: out of interest, is there a policy anywhere regarding the size of credit lists and whether they should be split or not, or is that just on a case by case basis?
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Finneran is a popular and busy actor whose list of works will continue to increase. Surely her notability is not in question? Poltair ( talk) 21:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not in doubt to have her own personal page if that's what you're asking, merely not for her own filmography page, for which I haven't seen precedent for actors of similar notability.
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your helpful clarification. It seems that the relevant policy is WP:SPLIT as DarkGlow suggests, and that there isn't a clear policy on when a split should occur based on the size of credit lists or the notability of performers. It might have been preferable that the split be discussed as per WP:PROSPLIT, at which the issues of article size and notability may have been raised, but that didn't happen and the filmography now exists. In regard to article size, if the articles were merged this would total 50-60,000 characters which is in the region of consideration for a split as per WP:SIZESPLIT, depending of course whether credit lists are included in 'readable prose'. In regard to notability, I don't think there is an issue as she has had prominent, if not starring roles, in several internationally distributed and acclaimed productions. I don't think that the project is improved by remerging the filmography and am still of the opinion that the split should stand Poltair ( talk) 07:55, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not in doubt to have her own personal page if that's what you're asking, merely not for her own filmography page, for which I haven't seen precedent for actors of similar notability.
ser! (
let's discuss it).
21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The actress has an enormous list of television credits. Slobberdan ( talk) 22:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment "Actress isn't notable enough on her own" I don't think is relevant to this discussion, as she already has her own page which is not disputed. Slobberdan ( talk) 22:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah I'd appreciate if you would read my reply to Poltair above ser! ( let's discuss it). 23:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep with the opening comment of "Actress isn't notable enough on her own", I was expecting to see a one-line stub about her, but that's not the case. Seems a pefect example of WP:SPLIT to have a stand-alone list. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:12, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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