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The result was keep/withdrawn. Agreed changes can and should be made in the article. (non-admin closure) gidonb ( talk) 13:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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Not a city, not in Ajman, not in this exclave, unsourced. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep. Appears to be a site of some archeological importance. According to "Petroglyphs at Sinadil in the Hajjar mountains" (1998) its location is "at the northern edge of the Hajjar mountain range, is located at the south of the village of Sayh Mudayrah, which lies on the Dubai- Hatta road, at a distance of only some 8 km to the west of the latter." They also have something to say on whether this site is in Ajman: "Although we initially had been informed that the site with the petroglyphs belonged to the Emirate of Ajman, we learned later that in fact the Ruler of Ajman, H.H. Shaikh Humaid bin Rashid al Nuaimi, had transferred the area to Sultan Qaboos of Oman. Spinning Spark 12:42, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See, there's the rub. Sayh Mudayrah itself doesn't have a page - and it's a wee village of no great note - a settlement which is part of Sayh Mudayrah would literally be a bunch of houses - a cul de sac. Sinadil as a place name is no longer in use and the petroglyphs would be located today at Sayh Mudayrah, not Sinadil. If they were given to Oman, they're no longer in the UAE in any case. I'd sooner see a page for Sayh Mudayrah than the lapsed community. A move? Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 14:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's irrelevant that Sayh Mudayrah doesn't have an article. It probably should have, but WP:Wikipedia is not finished. This passes WP:GEOLAND and should be kept. A paper in the Bulletin of the Emirates Natural History Group contradicts your claim that the name is no longer in use. It wouldn't even have mattered if that were true - notability is not temporary. Your claim that this is just a "cul de sac" is stated without any evidence. The map satellite view shows a number of streets and over a hundred buildings at that location. They are clearly separated from Sayh Mudayrah which is not even in the same country, although very close. As for your argument that it is no longer in the UAE, how on earth is that supposed to be a rationale for deletion? I'd love to hear what policy you think that comes under. Spinning Spark 15:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per SpinningSpark. James500 ( talk) 15:29, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I'll tell you what then, my love. Why don't you invest 1/10th of the energy you did in spanking me and nip off over to the page and change it to a village in Oman, add your cites and facts and keep the thing and then you can do something useful, conserve a load of energy and make us all happier? I removed it from cities in the UAE, I queried it for deletion because it was claimed, unsourced, as a UAE city and now you have so elegantly proved it's notable, in Oman and a village you can SAVE it. Yay you! Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 15:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Already have, and thank you for the sarcasm. Perhaps you ought to put a 1/10th of that energy into
WP:BEFORE next time.
Spinning
Spark
16:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- And the result was a worthwhile page, so a good thing. Can we close the AFD? As for WP:BEFORE, the original unsourced article was one sentence that stated that Sanadil was a city in the UAE and it is neither a city or in the UAE so I still think it was a good call. I'd only add that the Ajman infobox doesn't belong on the page as - per your sources - Sanadil is in Oman. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 03:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep/withdrawn. Agreed changes can and should be made in the article. (non-admin closure) gidonb ( talk) 13:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
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Not a city, not in Ajman, not in this exclave, unsourced. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a site of some archeological importance. According to "Petroglyphs at Sinadil in the Hajjar mountains" (1998) its location is "at the northern edge of the Hajjar mountain range, is located at the south of the village of Sayh Mudayrah, which lies on the Dubai- Hatta road, at a distance of only some 8 km to the west of the latter." They also have something to say on whether this site is in Ajman: "Although we initially had been informed that the site with the petroglyphs belonged to the Emirate of Ajman, we learned later that in fact the Ruler of Ajman, H.H. Shaikh Humaid bin Rashid al Nuaimi, had transferred the area to Sultan Qaboos of Oman. Spinning Spark 12:42, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See, there's the rub. Sayh Mudayrah itself doesn't have a page - and it's a wee village of no great note - a settlement which is part of Sayh Mudayrah would literally be a bunch of houses - a cul de sac. Sinadil as a place name is no longer in use and the petroglyphs would be located today at Sayh Mudayrah, not Sinadil. If they were given to Oman, they're no longer in the UAE in any case. I'd sooner see a page for Sayh Mudayrah than the lapsed community. A move? Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 14:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's irrelevant that Sayh Mudayrah doesn't have an article. It probably should have, but WP:Wikipedia is not finished. This passes WP:GEOLAND and should be kept. A paper in the Bulletin of the Emirates Natural History Group contradicts your claim that the name is no longer in use. It wouldn't even have mattered if that were true - notability is not temporary. Your claim that this is just a "cul de sac" is stated without any evidence. The map satellite view shows a number of streets and over a hundred buildings at that location. They are clearly separated from Sayh Mudayrah which is not even in the same country, although very close. As for your argument that it is no longer in the UAE, how on earth is that supposed to be a rationale for deletion? I'd love to hear what policy you think that comes under. Spinning Spark 15:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per SpinningSpark. James500 ( talk) 15:29, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I'll tell you what then, my love. Why don't you invest 1/10th of the energy you did in spanking me and nip off over to the page and change it to a village in Oman, add your cites and facts and keep the thing and then you can do something useful, conserve a load of energy and make us all happier? I removed it from cities in the UAE, I queried it for deletion because it was claimed, unsourced, as a UAE city and now you have so elegantly proved it's notable, in Oman and a village you can SAVE it. Yay you! Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 15:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Already have, and thank you for the sarcasm. Perhaps you ought to put a 1/10th of that energy into
WP:BEFORE next time.
Spinning
Spark
16:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- And the result was a worthwhile page, so a good thing. Can we close the AFD? As for WP:BEFORE, the original unsourced article was one sentence that stated that Sanadil was a city in the UAE and it is neither a city or in the UAE so I still think it was a good call. I'd only add that the Ajman infobox doesn't belong on the page as - per your sources - Sanadil is in Oman. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 03:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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