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The result was keep. Less Unless ( talk) 14:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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No indication that this is an actual recognized community. Map does show a Sigmund road. Seems to be just an informal area mis-labeled in GNIS. MB 04:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Pennsylvania. MB 04:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Location cannot be found when looked up, probably doesn't meet NGEO. Toadspike ( talk) 05:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - This was a populated place.
- [1] and p. 35 - Settlement was also called "Sigmunds Furnace", "Mary Ann Furnace", and "Hampton Furnace".
- [2]:
- "George Rothenberger...was born at a homestead at Sigmund" (p. 1373).
- There was a reunion there (p. 510).
- A school was erected in 1877. (p.151)
- A creamery and home were built there in 1886. (p.152)
- [4] - The Hereford Literary Society wrote that "many new members had come in from Harlem, Sigmund and vicinity" (p.151). This source also lists many names of people with a P.O. address of Sigmund.
- [5] - Calls Sigmund a "settlement" established in 1872 around a store located there (p.7). Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Still not seeing this is a community. GNIS is not a reliable source for making such determination. Every other source above refers to Sigmund/Sigmund Furnace/Hampton Furnace as an industrial site - a kiln where charcoal was made. After that, the site was a gunpowder mill until it blew up, and later a creamery. It was owned/run by one family. A birth occurred in their house on the property (the homestead). No one lived on the property except the proprietor. There was a post office named Sigmund for a short time "on the road to the mill", and a small school used the name Hampton, but this was after the mill-site had shut down. IMO, it's a stretch to label this a community when the majority of the sources clearly are talking about the mill site. We don't have articles on every farm/ranch/factory, etc. MB 15:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
MB: You missed the last two sources I listed.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
16:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I would still stay this is not a legally recognized place and therefore fails
WP:NGEO. It was a small
Hamlet (place) (see the specific definition for
Hamlet (place)#New York which I am personally comfortable extending for purposes of determining notability). This place had no government, boundaries, or any of the other hallmarks of a community, except a short-lived post office. It is a "rural neighborhood" that should be covered in "the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it". Since the article is virtually all
WP:OR, there is nothing to be merged but I support a mention and redirect to
Upper Milford Township, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.
MB
19:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sigmund had people, a school, a store, industry, and a post office. It was a populated place without legal recognition. This satisfies WP:NGEO. Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I would still stay this is not a legally recognized place and therefore fails
WP:NGEO. It was a small
Hamlet (place) (see the specific definition for
Hamlet (place)#New York which I am personally comfortable extending for purposes of determining notability). This place had no government, boundaries, or any of the other hallmarks of a community, except a short-lived post office. It is a "rural neighborhood" that should be covered in "the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it". Since the article is virtually all
WP:OR, there is nothing to be merged but I support a mention and redirect to
Upper Milford Township, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.
MB
19:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
MB: You missed the last two sources I listed.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
16:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I would be willing to keep this if someone would edit this into at least a stub. Bearian ( talk) 19:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ Bearian: I have added some of the sources above to the article. Magnolia677 ( talk) 23:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY per good work by Magnolia677. Bearian ( talk) 18:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY Djflem ( talk) 05:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Less Unless ( talk) 14:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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No indication that this is an actual recognized community. Map does show a Sigmund road. Seems to be just an informal area mis-labeled in GNIS. MB 04:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Pennsylvania. MB 04:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Location cannot be found when looked up, probably doesn't meet NGEO. Toadspike ( talk) 05:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - This was a populated place.
- [1] and p. 35 - Settlement was also called "Sigmunds Furnace", "Mary Ann Furnace", and "Hampton Furnace".
- [2]:
- "George Rothenberger...was born at a homestead at Sigmund" (p. 1373).
- There was a reunion there (p. 510).
- A school was erected in 1877. (p.151)
- A creamery and home were built there in 1886. (p.152)
- [4] - The Hereford Literary Society wrote that "many new members had come in from Harlem, Sigmund and vicinity" (p.151). This source also lists many names of people with a P.O. address of Sigmund.
- [5] - Calls Sigmund a "settlement" established in 1872 around a store located there (p.7). Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Still not seeing this is a community. GNIS is not a reliable source for making such determination. Every other source above refers to Sigmund/Sigmund Furnace/Hampton Furnace as an industrial site - a kiln where charcoal was made. After that, the site was a gunpowder mill until it blew up, and later a creamery. It was owned/run by one family. A birth occurred in their house on the property (the homestead). No one lived on the property except the proprietor. There was a post office named Sigmund for a short time "on the road to the mill", and a small school used the name Hampton, but this was after the mill-site had shut down. IMO, it's a stretch to label this a community when the majority of the sources clearly are talking about the mill site. We don't have articles on every farm/ranch/factory, etc. MB 15:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
MB: You missed the last two sources I listed.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
16:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I would still stay this is not a legally recognized place and therefore fails
WP:NGEO. It was a small
Hamlet (place) (see the specific definition for
Hamlet (place)#New York which I am personally comfortable extending for purposes of determining notability). This place had no government, boundaries, or any of the other hallmarks of a community, except a short-lived post office. It is a "rural neighborhood" that should be covered in "the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it". Since the article is virtually all
WP:OR, there is nothing to be merged but I support a mention and redirect to
Upper Milford Township, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.
MB
19:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sigmund had people, a school, a store, industry, and a post office. It was a populated place without legal recognition. This satisfies WP:NGEO. Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I would still stay this is not a legally recognized place and therefore fails
WP:NGEO. It was a small
Hamlet (place) (see the specific definition for
Hamlet (place)#New York which I am personally comfortable extending for purposes of determining notability). This place had no government, boundaries, or any of the other hallmarks of a community, except a short-lived post office. It is a "rural neighborhood" that should be covered in "the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it". Since the article is virtually all
WP:OR, there is nothing to be merged but I support a mention and redirect to
Upper Milford Township, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.
MB
19:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
MB: You missed the last two sources I listed.
Magnolia677 (
talk)
16:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I would be willing to keep this if someone would edit this into at least a stub. Bearian ( talk) 19:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ Bearian: I have added some of the sources above to the article. Magnolia677 ( talk) 23:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY per good work by Magnolia677. Bearian ( talk) 18:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY Djflem ( talk) 05:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.