- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 21:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Shriram Sharma
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Did a search for sources, all of them seem to lack independence from the subject or are trivial mentions. Did not see in-depth discussion in reliable independent verifiable sources. This is the article's second deletion nomination. A loose necktie ( talk) 05:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and India. Shellwood ( talk) 08:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I want to say that Shriram Sharma is notable person because he got honored by getting stamp from the government of India and all the citation are reliable sources, only 2 sources are not independent but others are independent and reliable -- Contributor008 ( talk) 08:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. He's on the postage. That.. usually isn't true of non-notable people? Andre 🚐 00:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The article from The Pioneer (India) is an RS entirely about the subject which indicates truly enduring notability, since the Chief Minister gets in the news for paying tribute to Sharma thirty years after Sharma's death. Similarly, as the others note, ordinary people don't typically get commemorative stamps. To add a new source, this "today in history" article mentions Sharma's death as an event on par with launching a Mars space craft and Telangana becoming an Indian state. I also found some hits in google scholar when adding they keyword "saint" to filter out random science papers by authors with a similar name, including this. The wiki article would benefit from a skilled editor vis-a-vis WP:NPOV, especially if we want to cover the spiritual context in more detail, but the sourcing readily searchable in English and online for this Indian man who died in 1990 seems like plenty to support notability, and a strong indication that even more coverage exists from his lifetime. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 03:30, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also-- so far as I can tell, this is this article's first deletion nomination? Looking at the talk page, it was deleted previously, but I can't find a previous AfD? So the earlier delete may have been e.g. copyvio, rather than a challenge to notabiltiy.
~ L 🌸 (
talk)
03:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- It was indeed speedy-deleted as a copyvio ( WP:CSD#G12). The web page it was supposedly copied from has a spammy-looking url and doesn't seem to exist any more so it's difficult to check how accurate that was. The article, short and neutrally written as it appears to be, is still problematic in that respect: the sentence "He dedicated his life to betterment of the society and for cultural and character upliftment", for instance, appears to have been copied word-for-word from its source [1], without being marked as a quote. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also-- so far as I can tell, this is this article's first deletion nomination? Looking at the talk page, it was deleted previously, but I can't find a previous AfD? So the earlier delete may have been e.g. copyvio, rather than a challenge to notabiltiy.
~ L 🌸 (
talk)
03:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per LEvalyn Andre 🚐 09:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 21:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Shriram Sharma
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- Shriram Sharma ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Did a search for sources, all of them seem to lack independence from the subject or are trivial mentions. Did not see in-depth discussion in reliable independent verifiable sources. This is the article's second deletion nomination. A loose necktie ( talk) 05:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and India. Shellwood ( talk) 08:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I want to say that Shriram Sharma is notable person because he got honored by getting stamp from the government of India and all the citation are reliable sources, only 2 sources are not independent but others are independent and reliable -- Contributor008 ( talk) 08:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. He's on the postage. That.. usually isn't true of non-notable people? Andre 🚐 00:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The article from The Pioneer (India) is an RS entirely about the subject which indicates truly enduring notability, since the Chief Minister gets in the news for paying tribute to Sharma thirty years after Sharma's death. Similarly, as the others note, ordinary people don't typically get commemorative stamps. To add a new source, this "today in history" article mentions Sharma's death as an event on par with launching a Mars space craft and Telangana becoming an Indian state. I also found some hits in google scholar when adding they keyword "saint" to filter out random science papers by authors with a similar name, including this. The wiki article would benefit from a skilled editor vis-a-vis WP:NPOV, especially if we want to cover the spiritual context in more detail, but the sourcing readily searchable in English and online for this Indian man who died in 1990 seems like plenty to support notability, and a strong indication that even more coverage exists from his lifetime. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 03:30, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also-- so far as I can tell, this is this article's first deletion nomination? Looking at the talk page, it was deleted previously, but I can't find a previous AfD? So the earlier delete may have been e.g. copyvio, rather than a challenge to notabiltiy.
~ L 🌸 (
talk)
03:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- It was indeed speedy-deleted as a copyvio ( WP:CSD#G12). The web page it was supposedly copied from has a spammy-looking url and doesn't seem to exist any more so it's difficult to check how accurate that was. The article, short and neutrally written as it appears to be, is still problematic in that respect: the sentence "He dedicated his life to betterment of the society and for cultural and character upliftment", for instance, appears to have been copied word-for-word from its source [1], without being marked as a quote. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also-- so far as I can tell, this is this article's first deletion nomination? Looking at the talk page, it was deleted previously, but I can't find a previous AfD? So the earlier delete may have been e.g. copyvio, rather than a challenge to notabiltiy.
~ L 🌸 (
talk)
03:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per LEvalyn Andre 🚐 09:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.