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The result was delete. Sandstein 13:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC) reply

Shin Hyun-choul

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Doesn't meet notability guidelines for biographies. {{u| waddie96}} { talk} 15:22, 25 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. {{u| waddie96}} { talk} 15:22, 25 July 2019 (UTC) reply

• Comment. The article does need references, but assuming all the claims are true, he is in multiple museum collections and meets WP:ARTIST on many levels. That said, I cannot find sources other than brief mentions. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 16:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz ( talk) 16:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC) reply

• Comment - The article's overly promotional tone and statements like: "...Shin has withstood all the hardships with pride, and his accomplishments certainly entitles him for such pride and confidence" and "I would like to appraise that his works allow us to discover the energy a cup of tea can bring into our lives..." mades one wonder if the IP and the page creator (both SPA's) may have COI? Searches on Google Books, news, newspapers, Korean wikipedia, JSTOR and Google searches turned up nothing but a culinary wordpress-blog post, a press release from a group show of ten artists that lists his name only, and then this: a review of a group show at the V&A in London, but unfortunately it only devotes half a sentence to him. If he is in fact in the permanent collections of the listed museums, then he would pass notability criteria, however there are no RS backing up those claims. Netherzone ( talk) 04:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Yeah, the V&A review is about a show that he is not in-- it just references his work. I am starting to wonder if the reputation is entirely concocted. A Korean-language speaking editor would be helpful here. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 05:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC) reply

This morning I searched every institution on the list of collections and came up with zero. I used variations of his name: Shin Hyun-choul, Hyun Choul Shin, as well as a translation into Korean characters. Also searched Western museums with major Asian collections such as Smithsonian, Asian Art Museum in San Francisco, Asia Society Museum, and the Metropolitan Museum and even the V&A collection: zero. I am wondering if he may be a commercial potter who sells work in the museum stores of the institutions listed, rather than being in these permanent collections? The group shows are not convincing: Yokohama Trade Fair, a Tea Culture Conference, a Planning Forum, Ceramic Pottery Contest, Pottery Biennale Workshop, New Design Fair, etc. A few sound more credible like the Tokyo Modern Art Center Invitational Exhibition, but no sources. Will keep looking, tho. Yes it would be great if a Korean language fluent editor could help out with this. Netherzone ( talk) 16:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete based on the above discussion, I am going to say delete. Extensive searches by Netherzone and myself turned up no sources. He has a video online of a show at the Gyeongju Art Centre, but this looks to be a local cultural centre, albeit large, rather than a major museum. The first museum collection given did not pass verification when I went to their site to check it. Sources simply do not seem to exist to prove notability. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC) reply
• Weak Delete - I did find this PDF: Craftsmaster of Kwangju Royal family CeramicsShin Hyun Choul Ceramic Art but it is a product of his website: shcceramic.com, and therefore not a RS and does not confirm notability. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there does not seem to be independent reviews or citations. I'm hoping that an Asian art expert jumps in and finds some sources in Korean, Japanese or Chinese as per his list of unsourced exhibitions and collections (and I would change my !vote if that materializes.) Netherzone ( talk) 17:28, 26 July 2019 (UTC) reply

I found this tourist blog that explains that "Kwangju Royal Family Ceramics" is apparently a product line, rather than a title. I think you may be right that he operates a company and sells within museum gift shows, as that is what he is described doing in the blog article. Delete does seem like the way to go here, as we cannot verify even a single claim. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 18:06, 26 July 2019 (UTC) reply

The Gyeongju Art Centre is a performing arts center (that may have a gallery inside, or the lobby space may be used thusly) - it is not the Gyeongju Art Museum, which is a different institution. Both have prestige (I had heard about them when I used to teach in Seoul, but never ended up making the trip there.) If this show was a substantial, curated solo show with a catalog and reviews it might hold some weight. I really wish I could find something on this artist, but nothing, inc. the blog ThatMontrealIP posted above, makes the cut. Netherzone ( talk) 01:47, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Yeah the blog does not help at all-- it was just meant to prove the show. I don't think the show in itself proves much. We would need four times that, with reviews. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 02:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply

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