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The result was delete. As it seems, it looks like this geographical object does not exist/was confused with another geographical object. The argument against repurposing and in favour of deletion is slightly more compelling. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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Requesting community help in figuring out if this place exists. There doesn't appear to be a settlement with this name in this part of Rajasthan, and there are three villages with a similar name in Barmer district [1] [2] [3] but none of them appear to match the article. On google maps there's a village [4] that seems to match the description, though not the coordinates, of our article, but I can't find it in the census reports. – Uanfala (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC), additions 18:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:34, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment the coordinates are not that specific, but I'm having trouble independently verifying the village as well. Google Maps is not a RS. SportingFlyer talk 19:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Keep. It appears in District Census Handbook, Series 18, Rajasthan: Chittaurgarh and hence meets WP:GEOLAND as a populated, legally recognized place.It is marked on Google Maps, but the coordinates in the article are off. It's about 150 miles further East at 25.795263° N, 72.698927° E which corresponds to 4 km south of Majal, as stated in the article. Spinning Spark 21:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)- But that's a different village, right? Just to double-check, your coordinates are for the same place that I've linked on google maps above (link #4), which is the place the article appears to be about and whose existence we're trying to verify. The 1972 census results you're linking to are for another village (in the latest census that's either
this or
that), and the article will have to be rewritten if it were to be about that (or any other village of the same name), though that shouldn't be difficult (it's a stub). –
Uanfala (talk)
21:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect there was simply a typo in the coordinates. 70° instead of 72° maybe would put it about right. As I said, the location relative to Majal is right. I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you know the 1972 census is a different place?
Spinning
Spark
23:04, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Majal is in
Barmer district, while the place from the 1971 census link is in
Chittaurgarh district, in a different part of the state. –
Uanfala (talk)
23:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, striking my keep for now, but there is definitely a village at that location. Now I've looked at Divisions of Rajasthan, Chittaurgarh district is not even in the right division ( Barmer district is in Jodhpur division). Spinning Spark 23:43, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Majal is in
Barmer district, while the place from the 1971 census link is in
Chittaurgarh district, in a different part of the state. –
Uanfala (talk)
23:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect there was simply a typo in the coordinates. 70° instead of 72° maybe would put it about right. As I said, the location relative to Majal is right. I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you know the 1972 census is a different place?
Spinning
Spark
23:04, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- But that's a different village, right? Just to double-check, your coordinates are for the same place that I've linked on google maps above (link #4), which is the place the article appears to be about and whose existence we're trying to verify. The 1972 census results you're linking to are for another village (in the latest census that's either
this or
that), and the article will have to be rewritten if it were to be about that (or any other village of the same name), though that shouldn't be difficult (it's a stub). –
Uanfala (talk)
21:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Although a weak one since
this is not a very reliable source, but i would say enough to prove its existence. BTW Google map is not a reliable source. I have been sent at wrong location several times, credits Google maps. Although it shows in the vicinity of Majal, but I highly suspect, that location is correctly tagged in google maps. --
DBig
Xrayᗙ
21:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- That's also a different place (
and one that doesn't appear in the censuses, at least not under this name): it's in Ajmer district, while the one the article is about is in Barmer district. – Uanfala (talk) 21:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- That's also a different place (
- Comment: I'm unable to find any village under this name in Barmer district but there is one in Bhilwara district in Rajasthan so, rather than deleting this page, I think it's best to change the information according to the source we have. GSS ( talk| c| em) 18:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment In continuation of my keep vote above. I would slightly modify my above comment and agree with
User:GSS That the content should be modifiedaccording to these sources
[5] and
this one in
Bhilwara district in Rajasthan.
User:Uanfala you can clearly see the difference in the spelling of your 2 links. All said,
Shiva is revered God in India and village name based on him will be quite common, We have to follow
WP:V and work with the best sources we have got. regards. --
DBig
Xrayᗙ
09:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- You're referring to the spelling "Sheopura" vs. "Shivpura"? From what I've seen so far, both are spelled the same in Devanagari, there is no difference in pronunciation and the same village can be spelt in one or the other way. Anyway, the purpose of the AfD was to seek community feedback on whether this place exists and deserves an article; if there is consensus that it doesn't, then yes, it is probably acceptable to "hijack" the article for any of the other places with the same name (though some would deem it better to delete the page and start anew). –
Uanfala (talk)
09:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. If the page is to be repurposed having a different subject in the history is confusing and against policy. In those circumstances, the existing page could be moved to draft space. It undoubtedly exists, but appears not to be legally recognised, so to have an article it would need to meet GNG. Otherwise delete, but either way don't share the history with an unrelated settlement. Spinning Spark 13:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- You're referring to the spelling "Sheopura" vs. "Shivpura"? From what I've seen so far, both are spelled the same in Devanagari, there is no difference in pronunciation and the same village can be spelt in one or the other way. Anyway, the purpose of the AfD was to seek community feedback on whether this place exists and deserves an article; if there is consensus that it doesn't, then yes, it is probably acceptable to "hijack" the article for any of the other places with the same name (though some would deem it better to delete the page and start anew). –
Uanfala (talk)
09:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. As it seems, it looks like this geographical object does not exist/was confused with another geographical object. The argument against repurposing and in favour of deletion is slightly more compelling. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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Requesting community help in figuring out if this place exists. There doesn't appear to be a settlement with this name in this part of Rajasthan, and there are three villages with a similar name in Barmer district [1] [2] [3] but none of them appear to match the article. On google maps there's a village [4] that seems to match the description, though not the coordinates, of our article, but I can't find it in the census reports. – Uanfala (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC), additions 18:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. – Uanfala (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:34, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment the coordinates are not that specific, but I'm having trouble independently verifying the village as well. Google Maps is not a RS. SportingFlyer talk 19:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Keep. It appears in District Census Handbook, Series 18, Rajasthan: Chittaurgarh and hence meets WP:GEOLAND as a populated, legally recognized place.It is marked on Google Maps, but the coordinates in the article are off. It's about 150 miles further East at 25.795263° N, 72.698927° E which corresponds to 4 km south of Majal, as stated in the article. Spinning Spark 21:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)- But that's a different village, right? Just to double-check, your coordinates are for the same place that I've linked on google maps above (link #4), which is the place the article appears to be about and whose existence we're trying to verify. The 1972 census results you're linking to are for another village (in the latest census that's either
this or
that), and the article will have to be rewritten if it were to be about that (or any other village of the same name), though that shouldn't be difficult (it's a stub). –
Uanfala (talk)
21:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect there was simply a typo in the coordinates. 70° instead of 72° maybe would put it about right. As I said, the location relative to Majal is right. I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you know the 1972 census is a different place?
Spinning
Spark
23:04, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Majal is in
Barmer district, while the place from the 1971 census link is in
Chittaurgarh district, in a different part of the state. –
Uanfala (talk)
23:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, striking my keep for now, but there is definitely a village at that location. Now I've looked at Divisions of Rajasthan, Chittaurgarh district is not even in the right division ( Barmer district is in Jodhpur division). Spinning Spark 23:43, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Majal is in
Barmer district, while the place from the 1971 census link is in
Chittaurgarh district, in a different part of the state. –
Uanfala (talk)
23:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect there was simply a typo in the coordinates. 70° instead of 72° maybe would put it about right. As I said, the location relative to Majal is right. I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you know the 1972 census is a different place?
Spinning
Spark
23:04, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- But that's a different village, right? Just to double-check, your coordinates are for the same place that I've linked on google maps above (link #4), which is the place the article appears to be about and whose existence we're trying to verify. The 1972 census results you're linking to are for another village (in the latest census that's either
this or
that), and the article will have to be rewritten if it were to be about that (or any other village of the same name), though that shouldn't be difficult (it's a stub). –
Uanfala (talk)
21:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Although a weak one since
this is not a very reliable source, but i would say enough to prove its existence. BTW Google map is not a reliable source. I have been sent at wrong location several times, credits Google maps. Although it shows in the vicinity of Majal, but I highly suspect, that location is correctly tagged in google maps. --
DBig
Xrayᗙ
21:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- That's also a different place (
and one that doesn't appear in the censuses, at least not under this name): it's in Ajmer district, while the one the article is about is in Barmer district. – Uanfala (talk) 21:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- That's also a different place (
- Comment: I'm unable to find any village under this name in Barmer district but there is one in Bhilwara district in Rajasthan so, rather than deleting this page, I think it's best to change the information according to the source we have. GSS ( talk| c| em) 18:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment In continuation of my keep vote above. I would slightly modify my above comment and agree with
User:GSS That the content should be modifiedaccording to these sources
[5] and
this one in
Bhilwara district in Rajasthan.
User:Uanfala you can clearly see the difference in the spelling of your 2 links. All said,
Shiva is revered God in India and village name based on him will be quite common, We have to follow
WP:V and work with the best sources we have got. regards. --
DBig
Xrayᗙ
09:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- You're referring to the spelling "Sheopura" vs. "Shivpura"? From what I've seen so far, both are spelled the same in Devanagari, there is no difference in pronunciation and the same village can be spelt in one or the other way. Anyway, the purpose of the AfD was to seek community feedback on whether this place exists and deserves an article; if there is consensus that it doesn't, then yes, it is probably acceptable to "hijack" the article for any of the other places with the same name (though some would deem it better to delete the page and start anew). –
Uanfala (talk)
09:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. If the page is to be repurposed having a different subject in the history is confusing and against policy. In those circumstances, the existing page could be moved to draft space. It undoubtedly exists, but appears not to be legally recognised, so to have an article it would need to meet GNG. Otherwise delete, but either way don't share the history with an unrelated settlement. Spinning Spark 13:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- You're referring to the spelling "Sheopura" vs. "Shivpura"? From what I've seen so far, both are spelled the same in Devanagari, there is no difference in pronunciation and the same village can be spelt in one or the other way. Anyway, the purpose of the AfD was to seek community feedback on whether this place exists and deserves an article; if there is consensus that it doesn't, then yes, it is probably acceptable to "hijack" the article for any of the other places with the same name (though some would deem it better to delete the page and start anew). –
Uanfala (talk)
09:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.