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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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There is no city of Shariyah in Ajman. This pointer is to an exclave of Ajman that contains Masfut and Sayh Mudayrah - there's no Shariyah. Unsourced in the first place, unknown today. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete. Useless uncited three-word article of dubious accuracy. Since the nominator has lived in the UAE for the past 25 years, I would take his word for it that the entity does not exist. Softlavender ( talk) 11:09, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previously closed as delete on 16 September 2018. Reopened and relisted at request of SportingFlyer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 21:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Previously closed as delete on 16 September 2018. Reopened and relisted at request of SportingFlyer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 21:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment this AfD is based on the premise this city does not exist in Ajman, but Google Street Map has coverage of Ajman in that area and there's clearly a sign at 24.8182405,56.0958615 saying you're in/entering "Al Shiariyah." I asked to have this AfD opened back up in light of this finding, to see if any other information can be found or at least to help explain why this may have made it into a geodatabase. SportingFlyer talk 22:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per [1]. Google maps can be useful, but only as an additional source. » Shadowowl | talk 22:45, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's based on a street view photo, not Google Maps itself, which is not reliable at all in rural UAE. SportingFlyer talk 00:02, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Funnily enough, I was there the other day. It's where the Masfout police station is located. Masfout is a large village/small town which has blocks or areas. One area (not, note, a 'city' as per the article) is Shariyah. Another, just up the road, is Mansoura. They're not settlements in their own right, they're part of Masfout. I'd question whether we really want to list every block or area of a town this size and whether these suburbs are themselves notable. Same problem with our old friend, Sufayri up the road in Hatta. It's a block or area within the settlement of Hatta. Once we go down this rabbit hole, we'll be listing tens of thousands of such places. Every block in Dubai, Ajman Sharjah and every other emirate, for instance has a name. Five blocks near my house in Sharjah are Ghafia, Hazzana, Riqqa, Fisht and Sharq. Do we name them all? And, by the way, many names are popular. So pretty much every town has an Al Mansoura or a Hamadia. One exception here is Al Heera, which has a rich and documented (sourced!!!) history and used to be an emirate in its own right. Same as Al Khan and Hamriyah. So they're notable. Here's not, IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 04:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- We're certainly getting closer to a positive result. I don't think we will actually list tens of thousands of such places, since most of the geodatabase dump has been tagged for cleanup. The question in this instance is whether this is a separate settlement, or a sub-jurisdiction of Masfout. If it's the former, we should keep the article, but based on my review of UAE governmental sources, that'll be difficult to verify. Probably best to "merge" the fact this is a district to the Masfout article? SportingFlyer talk 04:48, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Or just delete the article because it's not notable and the article is clearly unsourced, unverifiable and generally rubbish, as are the vast majority of the others? You wanna list one block of Masfout, you list 'em all! And without using OR I don't see how you'd even be able to do it. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 04:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- If this is a block of Masfout it must be documented somewhere, even if it's not in English. SportingFlyer talk 05:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- It may be. But it's not notable. It fails WP:N as well as all the rest. And this is WAY too much time and discussion over a nine word stub of no value. Sorry... Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 05:17, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, it's important to attempt to verify these things. Just because an article lacks sources or only has nine words doesn't mean it's not notable - it's the topic that's notable, not the article. SportingFlyer talk 06:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Right! It's the topic that's not notable! Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 07:30, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: Can't be verified. It is unsourced and fails WP:V so there is nothing we could merge. -- Crystallizedcarbon ( talk) 09:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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There is no city of Shariyah in Ajman. This pointer is to an exclave of Ajman that contains Masfut and Sayh Mudayrah - there's no Shariyah. Unsourced in the first place, unknown today. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 09:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Useless uncited three-word article of dubious accuracy. Since the nominator has lived in the UAE for the past 25 years, I would take his word for it that the entity does not exist. Softlavender ( talk) 11:09, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previously closed as delete on 16 September 2018. Reopened and relisted at request of SportingFlyer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 21:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Previously closed as delete on 16 September 2018. Reopened and relisted at request of SportingFlyer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 21:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment this AfD is based on the premise this city does not exist in Ajman, but Google Street Map has coverage of Ajman in that area and there's clearly a sign at 24.8182405,56.0958615 saying you're in/entering "Al Shiariyah." I asked to have this AfD opened back up in light of this finding, to see if any other information can be found or at least to help explain why this may have made it into a geodatabase. SportingFlyer talk 22:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per [1]. Google maps can be useful, but only as an additional source. » Shadowowl | talk 22:45, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's based on a street view photo, not Google Maps itself, which is not reliable at all in rural UAE. SportingFlyer talk 00:02, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Funnily enough, I was there the other day. It's where the Masfout police station is located. Masfout is a large village/small town which has blocks or areas. One area (not, note, a 'city' as per the article) is Shariyah. Another, just up the road, is Mansoura. They're not settlements in their own right, they're part of Masfout. I'd question whether we really want to list every block or area of a town this size and whether these suburbs are themselves notable. Same problem with our old friend, Sufayri up the road in Hatta. It's a block or area within the settlement of Hatta. Once we go down this rabbit hole, we'll be listing tens of thousands of such places. Every block in Dubai, Ajman Sharjah and every other emirate, for instance has a name. Five blocks near my house in Sharjah are Ghafia, Hazzana, Riqqa, Fisht and Sharq. Do we name them all? And, by the way, many names are popular. So pretty much every town has an Al Mansoura or a Hamadia. One exception here is Al Heera, which has a rich and documented (sourced!!!) history and used to be an emirate in its own right. Same as Al Khan and Hamriyah. So they're notable. Here's not, IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 04:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- We're certainly getting closer to a positive result. I don't think we will actually list tens of thousands of such places, since most of the geodatabase dump has been tagged for cleanup. The question in this instance is whether this is a separate settlement, or a sub-jurisdiction of Masfout. If it's the former, we should keep the article, but based on my review of UAE governmental sources, that'll be difficult to verify. Probably best to "merge" the fact this is a district to the Masfout article? SportingFlyer talk 04:48, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Or just delete the article because it's not notable and the article is clearly unsourced, unverifiable and generally rubbish, as are the vast majority of the others? You wanna list one block of Masfout, you list 'em all! And without using OR I don't see how you'd even be able to do it. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 04:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- If this is a block of Masfout it must be documented somewhere, even if it's not in English. SportingFlyer talk 05:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- It may be. But it's not notable. It fails WP:N as well as all the rest. And this is WAY too much time and discussion over a nine word stub of no value. Sorry... Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 05:17, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, it's important to attempt to verify these things. Just because an article lacks sources or only has nine words doesn't mean it's not notable - it's the topic that's notable, not the article. SportingFlyer talk 06:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Right! It's the topic that's not notable! Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 07:30, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: Can't be verified. It is unsourced and fails WP:V so there is nothing we could merge. -- Crystallizedcarbon ( talk) 09:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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