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The result was no consensus. As usual, the voters did not agree on whether coverage is reliable enough.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:22, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
ShapeShift (company)
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- Delete. Fails WP:ORG. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 12:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Article meets WP:GNG, which is explicitly stated in the edit comments as this article was created. Multiple independent sources show notability.
- Morever, this quotation from the WP:ORG page shows that a company or organization may be notable if it has multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources, as the article does have.
A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization.
- — N2e ( talk) 15:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. GSS ( talk) 16:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. GSS ( talk) 16:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep On the strength of the Forbes, Fortune, and CNBC citations. It's really borderline since those articles are about the company's departure from New York following regulatory changes. Regardless, the sources are reliable and they are about the subject, so I'm forced to say it passes GNG. Chris Troutman ( talk) 02:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kharkiv07 ( T) 15:06, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I compared each versions and I'm still not convinced there's substantially enough, I would wait instead for the company to advance because this all still seems thin regarding convincing. SwisterTwister talk 00:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 21:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- delete no significant coverage in independent sources beyond mentioning in passing. Staszek Lem ( talk) 22:22, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the sources that do exist are stories about things such as regulatory frameworks which use the company's example to illustrate the point, that does not mean these are sources about the company. MLA ( talk) 01:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:ORGDEPTH,
The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability.
The sources provided are more than just a trivial or passing mention. It also passes WP:GNG, the sources are reliable, secondary sources and Independent of the subject. ✉cookiemonster✉ 𝚨755𝛀 18:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Biggs, John (2015-09-08).
"ShapeShift, A Cool Cryptocurrency Converter, Clinches $1.6 Million In Cash".
TechCrunch. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
Do you need Clams? Nucoin? ShapeShift.io is here to help. This oddly simple system is a universal and anonymous cryptocurrency converter created by one of the pioneers in bitcoin, Erik Voorhees. How does it work? You request a certain cryptocurrency – Litecoin, for example – and give the service a deposit address. Then you simply deposit another currency – Bitcoin, for example – into a deposit wallet. The system converts the currency automatically without having to store your personal information.
Why would you want to do this? Well, some currencies are useful on some sites – Clams is popular for gaming sites while NuBits is pegged to the dollar, resulting in lower volatility. Because conversions between these various currencies requires no personal data you can buy any one of them and then convert them to BTC in the blink of an eye.
- Roberts, Daniel (2005-06-11).
"Bitcoin company ditches New York, blaming new regulations".
Fortune. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
ShapeShift.io, a bitcoin startup that allows people to quickly exchange digital currencies without an account or arduous signup process, has completely cut off service to New York in response to the state’s new regulatory policy for digital currency businesses. The BitLicense, which was finalized last week, sparked fear among the bitcoin community during its revision process over the past year, and now that it is out, has courted criticism for the various licenses and approvals it requires of companies that store and transmit money for customers. It is seen as too stringent and restrictive of innovation.
...
While Shapeshift has so far raised only a seed round of just under $1 million from Roger Ver (nicknamed “Bitcoin Jesus”) and Barry Silbert (founder of the Digital Currency Group), CEO Erik Voorhees is a widely followed voice in the digital currency world who founded Coinapult and worked at BitInstant. Vorhees founded ShapeShift and ran it using an alias at first until he came out as its CEO in March.
- Rosenfeld, Everett (2015-06-10).
"Company leaves New York, protesting 'BitLicense'".
CNBC. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
One company is suspending its services in New York, saying it needs to take a "moral and ethical stand" against a new state law regulating digital currency such as bitcoin.
ShapeShift, a digital currency exchange that doesn't require users to make accounts, announced Thursday it is pulling its service from New York state because it does not wish to comply with the recently issued BitLicense. That new law asks digital currency firms to, among other things, record some personal identifying information of its users. ShapeShift opposes that effort.
- Caffyn, Grace (2015-03-10).
"ShapeShift Raises $525k, Reveals Erik Voorhees as Creator".
CoinDesk. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
Instant bitcoin and altcoin exchange ShapeShift has received $525,000 in seed funding from investors Barry Silbert and Roger Ver.
The Swiss-based platform, which lets users swap between 25 digital currencies and tokens, differs from traditional exchanges in that it operates without user accounts and requires no form of registration.
...
As part of the funding announcement, entrepreneur Erik Voorhees has come forward as ShapeShift’s creator and CEO, having operated under the alias Beorn Gonthier – a reference to J R R Tolkein's own shapeshifter – since its launch in 2013.
...
ShapeShift claims to have witnessed a staggering increase in volume – 30% every month over the past half year. Besides speed and ease-of-use, the platform – which also offers a browser plugin – says it gives users "trust by design".
- Biggs, John (2015-09-08).
"ShapeShift, A Cool Cryptocurrency Converter, Clinches $1.6 Million In Cash".
TechCrunch. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
- Like
DGG has noted however, several of those listed are simply about funding (regardless of who published it) and also, the "Company exits New York" is simply expected coverage about its current views about those situations....Still not convincing. Also notice how the entire current article talks about funding and everything else suggesting how this is simply a newly and still-gaining-establishment company. There's still not inherited notability from those "security events".
SwisterTwister
talk 05:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- The articles are not simply about funding. They talk about the company's background. For example, the
TechCrunch article notes:
This is "deep coverage". Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) notes, "Deep coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization."The company just raised $1.6 million from the Digital Currency Group and Roger Ver as well as angels Bruce Fenton, Trevor Koverko and Michael Terpin. ShapeShift did the equivalent of $2 million in volume in July and have an API so programmers can use the service to convert funds on the fly. Interestingly, Voorhees has a strict “no fiat” policy on the site which means it is completely separate from traditional transfer mechanisms. In short, you can’t send dollars to be converted into Dogecoin. In fact, the traffic is completely anonymized so he neither knows his customers or can see what they’re doing.
The same is true of the CoinDesk article.
- The articles are not simply about funding. They talk about the company's background. For example, the
TechCrunch article notes:
- You may be right about TeleChruch article, but the CoinDesk article looks a little like a press release. DGG ( talk ) 19:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- Like
DGG has noted however, several of those listed are simply about funding (regardless of who published it) and also, the "Company exits New York" is simply expected coverage about its current views about those situations....Still not convincing. Also notice how the entire current article talks about funding and everything else suggesting how this is simply a newly and still-gaining-establishment company. There's still not inherited notability from those "security events".
SwisterTwister
talk 05:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. As usual, the voters did not agree on whether coverage is reliable enough.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:22, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
ShapeShift (company)
- ShapeShift (company) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Delete. Fails WP:ORG. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 12:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Article meets WP:GNG, which is explicitly stated in the edit comments as this article was created. Multiple independent sources show notability.
- Morever, this quotation from the WP:ORG page shows that a company or organization may be notable if it has multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources, as the article does have.
A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization.
- — N2e ( talk) 15:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. GSS ( talk) 16:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. GSS ( talk) 16:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep On the strength of the Forbes, Fortune, and CNBC citations. It's really borderline since those articles are about the company's departure from New York following regulatory changes. Regardless, the sources are reliable and they are about the subject, so I'm forced to say it passes GNG. Chris Troutman ( talk) 02:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kharkiv07 ( T) 15:06, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I compared each versions and I'm still not convinced there's substantially enough, I would wait instead for the company to advance because this all still seems thin regarding convincing. SwisterTwister talk 00:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 21:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- delete no significant coverage in independent sources beyond mentioning in passing. Staszek Lem ( talk) 22:22, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Delete the sources that do exist are stories about things such as regulatory frameworks which use the company's example to illustrate the point, that does not mean these are sources about the company. MLA ( talk) 01:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:ORGDEPTH,
The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability.
The sources provided are more than just a trivial or passing mention. It also passes WP:GNG, the sources are reliable, secondary sources and Independent of the subject. ✉cookiemonster✉ 𝚨755𝛀 18:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Biggs, John (2015-09-08).
"ShapeShift, A Cool Cryptocurrency Converter, Clinches $1.6 Million In Cash".
TechCrunch. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
Do you need Clams? Nucoin? ShapeShift.io is here to help. This oddly simple system is a universal and anonymous cryptocurrency converter created by one of the pioneers in bitcoin, Erik Voorhees. How does it work? You request a certain cryptocurrency – Litecoin, for example – and give the service a deposit address. Then you simply deposit another currency – Bitcoin, for example – into a deposit wallet. The system converts the currency automatically without having to store your personal information.
Why would you want to do this? Well, some currencies are useful on some sites – Clams is popular for gaming sites while NuBits is pegged to the dollar, resulting in lower volatility. Because conversions between these various currencies requires no personal data you can buy any one of them and then convert them to BTC in the blink of an eye.
- Roberts, Daniel (2005-06-11).
"Bitcoin company ditches New York, blaming new regulations".
Fortune. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
ShapeShift.io, a bitcoin startup that allows people to quickly exchange digital currencies without an account or arduous signup process, has completely cut off service to New York in response to the state’s new regulatory policy for digital currency businesses. The BitLicense, which was finalized last week, sparked fear among the bitcoin community during its revision process over the past year, and now that it is out, has courted criticism for the various licenses and approvals it requires of companies that store and transmit money for customers. It is seen as too stringent and restrictive of innovation.
...
While Shapeshift has so far raised only a seed round of just under $1 million from Roger Ver (nicknamed “Bitcoin Jesus”) and Barry Silbert (founder of the Digital Currency Group), CEO Erik Voorhees is a widely followed voice in the digital currency world who founded Coinapult and worked at BitInstant. Vorhees founded ShapeShift and ran it using an alias at first until he came out as its CEO in March.
- Rosenfeld, Everett (2015-06-10).
"Company leaves New York, protesting 'BitLicense'".
CNBC. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
One company is suspending its services in New York, saying it needs to take a "moral and ethical stand" against a new state law regulating digital currency such as bitcoin.
ShapeShift, a digital currency exchange that doesn't require users to make accounts, announced Thursday it is pulling its service from New York state because it does not wish to comply with the recently issued BitLicense. That new law asks digital currency firms to, among other things, record some personal identifying information of its users. ShapeShift opposes that effort.
- Caffyn, Grace (2015-03-10).
"ShapeShift Raises $525k, Reveals Erik Voorhees as Creator".
CoinDesk. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
The article notes:
Instant bitcoin and altcoin exchange ShapeShift has received $525,000 in seed funding from investors Barry Silbert and Roger Ver.
The Swiss-based platform, which lets users swap between 25 digital currencies and tokens, differs from traditional exchanges in that it operates without user accounts and requires no form of registration.
...
As part of the funding announcement, entrepreneur Erik Voorhees has come forward as ShapeShift’s creator and CEO, having operated under the alias Beorn Gonthier – a reference to J R R Tolkein's own shapeshifter – since its launch in 2013.
...
ShapeShift claims to have witnessed a staggering increase in volume – 30% every month over the past half year. Besides speed and ease-of-use, the platform – which also offers a browser plugin – says it gives users "trust by design".
- Biggs, John (2015-09-08).
"ShapeShift, A Cool Cryptocurrency Converter, Clinches $1.6 Million In Cash".
TechCrunch. Archived from
the original on 2016-07-25. Retrieved 2016-07-25.
- Like
DGG has noted however, several of those listed are simply about funding (regardless of who published it) and also, the "Company exits New York" is simply expected coverage about its current views about those situations....Still not convincing. Also notice how the entire current article talks about funding and everything else suggesting how this is simply a newly and still-gaining-establishment company. There's still not inherited notability from those "security events".
SwisterTwister
talk 05:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- The articles are not simply about funding. They talk about the company's background. For example, the
TechCrunch article notes:
This is "deep coverage". Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) notes, "Deep coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization."The company just raised $1.6 million from the Digital Currency Group and Roger Ver as well as angels Bruce Fenton, Trevor Koverko and Michael Terpin. ShapeShift did the equivalent of $2 million in volume in July and have an API so programmers can use the service to convert funds on the fly. Interestingly, Voorhees has a strict “no fiat” policy on the site which means it is completely separate from traditional transfer mechanisms. In short, you can’t send dollars to be converted into Dogecoin. In fact, the traffic is completely anonymized so he neither knows his customers or can see what they’re doing.
The same is true of the CoinDesk article.
- The articles are not simply about funding. They talk about the company's background. For example, the
TechCrunch article notes:
- You may be right about TeleChruch article, but the CoinDesk article looks a little like a press release. DGG ( talk ) 19:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- Like
DGG has noted however, several of those listed are simply about funding (regardless of who published it) and also, the "Company exits New York" is simply expected coverage about its current views about those situations....Still not convincing. Also notice how the entire current article talks about funding and everything else suggesting how this is simply a newly and still-gaining-establishment company. There's still not inherited notability from those "security events".
SwisterTwister
talk 05:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.