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The result was delete. Nobody is confident that this is verifiable. Sandstein 09:18, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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Our next dubious Somali placename appears to have its origins in a UN report; the link in the article is dead but I found this story which contains a passing reference and which is reasonably likely to be a duplicate. The problem is that the story implies that Shanqolow is a neighborhood or something similar within Baardheere, not a town unto itself. And that is the only substantial information I found: geonames does not acknowledge the place at all. I'm dubious about redirecting this to Baardheere since there's no discussion of neighborhoods or the like, and it appears that the only place one would come across the name, the story I linked to, already tells you all we know. Mangoe ( talk) 12:02, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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Comment "Shanqolow" sounds curiously similar to
Shánkala. My guess is that the linked story provided by
Mangoe is based on an Ethiopian source referring pejoratively to Somali opponents.
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
09:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Visible
here as Shongolou, near Balan Baasha (cf. Baalan Baasha in the article) .
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
10:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- This is completely plausible: the name from openstreetmap is in geonames (which, after all, is probably where they got it), and while there's no settlement there now, there are some signs there once was (the typical round enclosures, but no buildings). The question is, can we put this all together and say that they are two names for the same place, mentioned as having such-and-such fighting, and such-and-such a location, but it has need destroyed? there's a fair bit of synthesis going on there.
Mangoe (
talk)
10:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would say two different Latin transliterations rather than names. The original name is شنقلو, which is likely to be the "village of Shenqlou in the Islamic state of Qizu" mentioned by jihadist sources (e.g.
قرية شنقلو بولاية قيذو الإسلامية). So we have 1) a place whose name may be spelled as Shanqulow or Shongolou in English, which is marked near Balan Baasha on a reliable map (in the Bay district, not in the Gedo district, as asserted in the article), 2) the (same?) Shanqulow place where the clashes mentioned in the linked source took place. There are some bits of encyclopedic information here. A stub providing useful links may be better than nothing.
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
12:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- All we can achieve is go down the rabbit hole of doing original research, I am inclined to believe this fails WP:V, but I am not certain. Prince of Thieves ( talk) 12:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would say two different Latin transliterations rather than names. The original name is شنقلو, which is likely to be the "village of Shenqlou in the Islamic state of Qizu" mentioned by jihadist sources (e.g.
قرية شنقلو بولاية قيذو الإسلامية). So we have 1) a place whose name may be spelled as Shanqulow or Shongolou in English, which is marked near Balan Baasha on a reliable map (in the Bay district, not in the Gedo district, as asserted in the article), 2) the (same?) Shanqulow place where the clashes mentioned in the linked source took place. There are some bits of encyclopedic information here. A stub providing useful links may be better than nothing.
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
12:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- This is completely plausible: the name from openstreetmap is in geonames (which, after all, is probably where they got it), and while there's no settlement there now, there are some signs there once was (the typical round enclosures, but no buildings). The question is, can we put this all together and say that they are two names for the same place, mentioned as having such-and-such fighting, and such-and-such a location, but it has need destroyed? there's a fair bit of synthesis going on there.
Mangoe (
talk)
10:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:V. As I've said before, we have no obligation to be all-inclusive. We do, however, have an obligation to be verifiably correct. If we can't meet WP:V, we should skip it entirely. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Nobody is confident that this is verifiable. Sandstein 09:18, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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Our next dubious Somali placename appears to have its origins in a UN report; the link in the article is dead but I found this story which contains a passing reference and which is reasonably likely to be a duplicate. The problem is that the story implies that Shanqolow is a neighborhood or something similar within Baardheere, not a town unto itself. And that is the only substantial information I found: geonames does not acknowledge the place at all. I'm dubious about redirecting this to Baardheere since there's no discussion of neighborhoods or the like, and it appears that the only place one would come across the name, the story I linked to, already tells you all we know. Mangoe ( talk) 12:02, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 12:11, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 12:11, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment "Shanqolow" sounds curiously similar to
Shánkala. My guess is that the linked story provided by
Mangoe is based on an Ethiopian source referring pejoratively to Somali opponents.
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
09:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Visible
here as Shongolou, near Balan Baasha (cf. Baalan Baasha in the article) .
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
10:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- This is completely plausible: the name from openstreetmap is in geonames (which, after all, is probably where they got it), and while there's no settlement there now, there are some signs there once was (the typical round enclosures, but no buildings). The question is, can we put this all together and say that they are two names for the same place, mentioned as having such-and-such fighting, and such-and-such a location, but it has need destroyed? there's a fair bit of synthesis going on there.
Mangoe (
talk)
10:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would say two different Latin transliterations rather than names. The original name is شنقلو, which is likely to be the "village of Shenqlou in the Islamic state of Qizu" mentioned by jihadist sources (e.g.
قرية شنقلو بولاية قيذو الإسلامية). So we have 1) a place whose name may be spelled as Shanqulow or Shongolou in English, which is marked near Balan Baasha on a reliable map (in the Bay district, not in the Gedo district, as asserted in the article), 2) the (same?) Shanqulow place where the clashes mentioned in the linked source took place. There are some bits of encyclopedic information here. A stub providing useful links may be better than nothing.
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
12:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- All we can achieve is go down the rabbit hole of doing original research, I am inclined to believe this fails WP:V, but I am not certain. Prince of Thieves ( talk) 12:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would say two different Latin transliterations rather than names. The original name is شنقلو, which is likely to be the "village of Shenqlou in the Islamic state of Qizu" mentioned by jihadist sources (e.g.
قرية شنقلو بولاية قيذو الإسلامية). So we have 1) a place whose name may be spelled as Shanqulow or Shongolou in English, which is marked near Balan Baasha on a reliable map (in the Bay district, not in the Gedo district, as asserted in the article), 2) the (same?) Shanqulow place where the clashes mentioned in the linked source took place. There are some bits of encyclopedic information here. A stub providing useful links may be better than nothing.
37.117.118.138 (
talk)
12:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- This is completely plausible: the name from openstreetmap is in geonames (which, after all, is probably where they got it), and while there's no settlement there now, there are some signs there once was (the typical round enclosures, but no buildings). The question is, can we put this all together and say that they are two names for the same place, mentioned as having such-and-such fighting, and such-and-such a location, but it has need destroyed? there's a fair bit of synthesis going on there.
Mangoe (
talk)
10:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:V. As I've said before, we have no obligation to be all-inclusive. We do, however, have an obligation to be verifiably correct. If we can't meet WP:V, we should skip it entirely. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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