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The result was keep. Consensus was that sources in this discussion are sufficient for meeting WP:NCORP. They remain to be added to the article.
Merging proposals based on content can be raised via wp:mergers instead. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 02:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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Sea Limited (aka Sea Group) is just a non-notable parent company of Garena, which content can be mentioned at Garena article. And the former name of Sea Limited, according to news article is Garena too.
The content was also added by global locked account User:FHDIJDI847481 before at Sea Group article title, the new version by User:आकाशगंगा seem a trimmed down version so that i am not decide to start SPI yet. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- See also the decline at Draft:Sea Group. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:30, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 11:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep notable [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] and a company with multiple notable subsidiaries shouldn't be a redirect to one of them. The draft can be merged. Peter James ( talk) 12:08, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources posted by Peter James, meets WP:NCORP in my opinion. Financial Times reference is actually written by its sister website Nikkei Asia [7]. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 14:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment As an addition, the article should move to Sea (company), which seems to be WP:COMMONNAME in these sources. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 14:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, the company's subsidiaries are notable, and the parent itself is getting quite a bit of coverage in Finance RSes. - Shivertimbers433 ( talk) 21:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If it's really the case that Garena has been rebranded as Sea, then surely either this or the Garena article needs to go, they can't both be about the same company, only under different names. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment ...and another thing: the holding company, if it really is only that, ie. holding and not trading, is unlikely to be notable (and no, it does not inherit notability from its subsidiaries, as has been suggested). If, however, the argument is that Sea isn't properly a holding company but rather the corporate umbrella for its various (notable or non-notable) subsidiaries, and is in fact a trading entity itself, then I think this article should stay and the subsidiary articles be merged and redirected here. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge info to these pages Shopee and Garena, since its just their holding company. Lesliechin1 ( talk) 19:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Curious about thoughts on merging!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 21:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep As per the above sources posted by Peter James, meets WP:NCORP. Hypogaearoots ( talk) 16:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Consensus was that sources in this discussion are sufficient for meeting WP:NCORP. They remain to be added to the article.
Merging proposals based on content can be raised via wp:mergers instead. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 02:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Sea Ltd ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Sea Limited (aka Sea Group) is just a non-notable parent company of Garena, which content can be mentioned at Garena article. And the former name of Sea Limited, according to news article is Garena too.
The content was also added by global locked account User:FHDIJDI847481 before at Sea Group article title, the new version by User:आकाशगंगा seem a trimmed down version so that i am not decide to start SPI yet. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- See also the decline at Draft:Sea Group. Matthew hk ( talk) 11:30, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 11:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep notable [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] and a company with multiple notable subsidiaries shouldn't be a redirect to one of them. The draft can be merged. Peter James ( talk) 12:08, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources posted by Peter James, meets WP:NCORP in my opinion. Financial Times reference is actually written by its sister website Nikkei Asia [7]. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 14:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment As an addition, the article should move to Sea (company), which seems to be WP:COMMONNAME in these sources. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 14:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, the company's subsidiaries are notable, and the parent itself is getting quite a bit of coverage in Finance RSes. - Shivertimbers433 ( talk) 21:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If it's really the case that Garena has been rebranded as Sea, then surely either this or the Garena article needs to go, they can't both be about the same company, only under different names. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment ...and another thing: the holding company, if it really is only that, ie. holding and not trading, is unlikely to be notable (and no, it does not inherit notability from its subsidiaries, as has been suggested). If, however, the argument is that Sea isn't properly a holding company but rather the corporate umbrella for its various (notable or non-notable) subsidiaries, and is in fact a trading entity itself, then I think this article should stay and the subsidiary articles be merged and redirected here. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge info to these pages Shopee and Garena, since its just their holding company. Lesliechin1 ( talk) 19:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Curious about thoughts on merging!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 21:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep As per the above sources posted by Peter James, meets WP:NCORP. Hypogaearoots ( talk) 16:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.