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The result was delete. Consensus that individual is not notable through any of their positions Nosebagbear ( talk) 19:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC) reply

Scott Haggerty

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Fails WP:NPOL. Bbb23 ( talk) 18:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 18:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 18:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete. County board of supervisors is not an "inherently" notable role for the purposes of WP:NPOL — the lowest level of office that automatically guarantees an article to every officeholder just for the fact of having held a political office is the state legislature. To be notable enough for Wikipedia articles, politicians at the county level have to be referenced to a depth and volume and range of reliable source coverage that marks them out as much more special than most other county councillors, but that's not what the sources here are showing — there's just a smattering of the purely routine local coverage that every county councillor can always expect to receive in their local media, which is not enough to make him more notable than most of the tens of thousands of other county councillors in North America who don't have Wikipedia articles. Bearcat ( talk) 20:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC) reply

• Do Not Delete. Take for example the fact that the Metropolitan Transportation Commission is notable enough to have a wikipedia page. Supervisor Haggerty is currently the Chair of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission ^[1], leading all other elected officials on the Commission. Supervisor Haggerty's wikipedia page should be justified as notable on these grounds alone. Additionally, Wilma Chan is also on the Alameda County Board of Supervisors. Given she is no longer a state senator, does her page still qualify as notable?-- Dst20191 ( talk) 22:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC) reply

Notability is not temporary, so the fact that Wilma Chan isn't still in the state legislature now doesn't matter: if she's ever served in the state legislature at all, then she stays notable on those grounds forever. Once a person has held a notable political office, they don't suddenly become non-notable when they leave that role and go on to do something else — our job is to be a comprehensive reference for everybody who's ever served in the state legislature, not just a directory of the current legislators. But notability is also not inherited, so the fact that Chan has an article does not mean that her colleagues on the county board get to have articles, even if they haven't also served in the state legislature, just because she has one: each person is judged according to their own most notable office attained, and not anybody else's. And the fact that the transit board has an article about it as a company does not mean its chair automatically gets to have a biographical article about him as a person either: chair of a local infrastructure board or not, he still has to pass the same notability test as any other local politician: namely, enough reliable source coverage to make him much more nationally significant than most other people at this level of office. Bearcat ( talk) 00:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC) reply

In regards to being notable at the national level, Supervisor Haggerty currently represents Alameda County on the National Association of Counties, serving as Vice Chair of the Transportation Steering Committee and formerly as Chair for a number of years. ^[2] Additionally, Scott serves on the Board of Directors of the California Association of Councils of Government. ^[3] In regards to Supervisor Haggerty's participation in these organizations, the Supervisor has been exceptionally active/engaged at the national and state-wide level when compared with the vast majority of county supervisors in the nation. Based on these grounds alone, Supervisor Haggerty far surpasses the requirements for categorization as "notable" within the Wikipedia guidelines.-- Dst20191 ( talk) 20:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC) reply

None of those are NPOL-passing roles. Nobody below the state legislature gets an automatic notability freebie just because he exists — what has to nationalize to make a person at the county level of office notable enough for an encyclopedia is his range of reliable source media coverage, not just the list of organizations he happens to be on the boards of. And incidentally, happening to have staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers ain't evidence of notability either. There's no such thing as notability without media coverage. Bearcat ( talk) 20:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete members of the governing board of a county are not default notable for such, and without that we lack enough sources to show that Haggerty is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:25, 24 October 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete only locally notable politician. SportingFlyer T· C 01:37, 29 October 2019 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.