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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Scotland Probables
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Difficult to research, but this amateur series does not appear to meet the standards of GNG. Same with its partner article, Scotland Possibles (which will join this afd momentarily). Onel5969 TT me 14:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC) I am also nominating the following articles, since they are the companion articles to this one:
- Scotland Possibles ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Blues Trial ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Whites Trial ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 14:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 14:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or at least Merge into a single article. -- Slashme ( talk) 07:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep These Trial teams were part of the international selection process before international 'A' teams were introduced. Obviously not all players in these Trial teams went on to have full international caps but they were a notable distinction. I am struck by the number of obituaries that mention player X never achieved international honours but played for the Probables/Possibles side etc. Some players went on to have international honours and the articles meet GNG for that reason. The Trial sides should be classed in the same way as today's 'A' sides and they were held in that regard. Most international sides used Trial sides for selection (see http://www.rugbyrelics.com/Pages/programmes-special/trials-international.htm for example). They are a vital part of rugby union history. -- Aedis1 ( talk) 08:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete All 4 articles are identical apart from changing the team names and the notable players. There are no references about the possibles and probables. As the only purpose of the teams is a trial for selection to the national team, a short section in that article or in History of rugby union in Scotland is all that is warranted. noq ( talk) 11:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete As above, not enough sources or notability to qualify it for GNG. None of the arguments put forward by Aedis1 would qualify it for GNG as they seem to be just passing mentions. Players going on to play in full tests do not qualify these articles for GNG. A section on the History of rugby union in Scotland or similar as suggested by Nog would be better/suffice. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 17:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Scotland Probables
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Difficult to research, but this amateur series does not appear to meet the standards of GNG. Same with its partner article, Scotland Possibles (which will join this afd momentarily). Onel5969 TT me 14:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC) I am also nominating the following articles, since they are the companion articles to this one:
- Scotland Possibles ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Blues Trial ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Whites Trial ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 14:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 14:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or at least Merge into a single article. -- Slashme ( talk) 07:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep These Trial teams were part of the international selection process before international 'A' teams were introduced. Obviously not all players in these Trial teams went on to have full international caps but they were a notable distinction. I am struck by the number of obituaries that mention player X never achieved international honours but played for the Probables/Possibles side etc. Some players went on to have international honours and the articles meet GNG for that reason. The Trial sides should be classed in the same way as today's 'A' sides and they were held in that regard. Most international sides used Trial sides for selection (see http://www.rugbyrelics.com/Pages/programmes-special/trials-international.htm for example). They are a vital part of rugby union history. -- Aedis1 ( talk) 08:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete All 4 articles are identical apart from changing the team names and the notable players. There are no references about the possibles and probables. As the only purpose of the teams is a trial for selection to the national team, a short section in that article or in History of rugby union in Scotland is all that is warranted. noq ( talk) 11:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete As above, not enough sources or notability to qualify it for GNG. None of the arguments put forward by Aedis1 would qualify it for GNG as they seem to be just passing mentions. Players going on to play in full tests do not qualify these articles for GNG. A section on the History of rugby union in Scotland or similar as suggested by Nog would be better/suffice. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 17:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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