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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator with only keep !votes. (non-admin closure) AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 00:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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The problem is, she is a notable model in that she is considered an "industry icon" (not exactly a supermodel, but someone who has had longevity in the industry. Or The industry icons are models who have built stellar careers, they've snagged every cover, walked every show, booked every campaign, and lived to tell the tale. Before you can be a true supermodel, you have to become one of the industry's preferred stars and these girls are all bonafide favorites. In her case, campaigns for Armani, Chanel, Givenchy, Versace, etc.), and is seen as notable for having a great career “over 25” (Christ.) but it’s hard to find enough significant coverage to keep the actual article out of. I’ve seen things in Vogue and what not, but sadly it’s not sufficient here.
Trillfendi (
talk) 14:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC) They seem to believe these sources do the job, so here is withdrawn.
Trillfendi (
talk)
19:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 17:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 17:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep I had no trouble finding in-depth coverage. Example, example. The article needs a cleanup. I'm not sure how much of an art career she really has, but as a model there is a lot of coverage. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- These sources barely substantiate the contents of the article (which had about 5 issue notices before I removed 3 of them). Net-a-porter, at the end of the day, is a clothing website.
Trillfendi (
talk)
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Then I guess we will need to have a shorter article. There are many, many sources out there. GNG is clearly established. Example, example, example, example, example. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Nytimes article: "When the Dutch artist and fashion model Saskia de Brauw first started traveling to New York for work, eight or so years ago, she found the city “a really overwhelming place.” NYtimes article: "A Walk Through Manhattan With Saskia de Brauw" Vogue article: "Saskia de Brauw and Vincent van de Wijngaard Go Off the Grid With a Multimedia Project, Ghosts Don’t Walk in Straight Lines". ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- These sources barely substantiate the contents of the article (which had about 5 issue notices before I removed 3 of them). Net-a-porter, at the end of the day, is a clothing website.
Trillfendi (
talk)
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - based on the multiple reliable sources found by ThatMontrealIP. Netherzone ( talk) 19:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep the many sources from ThatMontrealIP, she meets WP:BASIC and citing just one source found by , she is clearly a notable model. [1]. AfD is not cleanup, and clearly the inability of Trillfendi to find RS is not the same as failing GNG. HouseOfChange ( talk) 21:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I didn’t ask you if AfD was cleanup. One of the many issue templates said that the article‘s only attribution was a primary source. I considered whether or not general notability was met.
This was all but useless.
Trillfendi (
talk)
22:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Trillfendi Like many others, I watchlist Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Women, where clearly notable women are sometimes AfDed, as for example you recently also did at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judith_Exner. There is enough SIGCOV to show SdB is notable, as everyone else but you so far agrees. HouseOfChange ( talk) 22:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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Trillfendi did you do a
WP:BEFORE on this?
ThatMontrealIP (
talk)
22:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did I not just say that?
Trillfendi (
talk)
23:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yet so much SIGCOV remained invisible. [2] HouseOfChange ( talk) 14:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did I not just say that?
Trillfendi (
talk)
23:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I didn’t ask you if AfD was cleanup. One of the many issue templates said that the article‘s only attribution was a primary source. I considered whether or not general notability was met.
This was all but useless.
Trillfendi (
talk)
22:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources found. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 20:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
References
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^ Pons, Sabrina (2012).
"Saint Laurent Paris : qui est Saskia de Brauw?". Elle.fr. Retrieved September 22, 2020.
À 29 ans, un âge qui sonne bien souvent le glas d'une carrière chez les tops, Saskia se fait très vite une place. En 2010, elle défile pour Balenciaga et Givenchy. Et tape dans l'œil de Riccardo Tisci qui la propulse égérie de sa collection en 2011. Il l'aime tellement qu'elle défile également pour sa collection homme. Dans la foulée, le créateur italien la présente à Carine Roitfeld, alors patronne de « Vogue Paris ». Subjuguée par sa silhouette masculine, elle la prend sous son aile et lui consacre un numéro. Sa coupe à la Jeanne d'Arc fait aussi son petit effet chez Chanel où Karl Lagerfeld lui fait ouvrir et fermer son défilé haute couture en 2011. En 2012, elle fait encore mieux : elle devient le nouveau visage de Chanel. Bref, une star est née. (Tr: At 29, an age that often marks the end of a career with the tops, Saskia quickly carved out a place. In 2010, she walked for Balenciaga and Givenchy. And it catches the eye of Riccardo Tisci, who propels her as the face of his collection in 2011. He loves her so much that she also walks for her men's collection. In the process, the Italian designer presents it to Carine Roitfeld, then patron of "Vogue Paris". Captivated by her masculine figure, she takes it under her wing and devotes an issue to her. Her Joan of Arc cut also had an effect at Chanel, where Karl Lagerfeld had her open and close her haute couture show in 2011. In 2012, she did even better: she became the new face of Chanel. In short, a star is born.)
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^ Diderich, Joelle (January 25, 2016).
"Saskia de Brauw Comes Into Her Own With Art Book". Women's Wear Daily. Retrieved September 23, 2020.
Her androgynous look led to the project that perhaps best unites her artistic and modeling skills — the 2013 video for David Bowie's "The Stars (Are Out Tonight)," in which she plays a disquieting gender-bending celebrity who eventually ends up taking Bowie's place.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator with only keep !votes. (non-admin closure) AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 00:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The problem is, she is a notable model in that she is considered an "industry icon" (not exactly a supermodel, but someone who has had longevity in the industry. Or The industry icons are models who have built stellar careers, they've snagged every cover, walked every show, booked every campaign, and lived to tell the tale. Before you can be a true supermodel, you have to become one of the industry's preferred stars and these girls are all bonafide favorites. In her case, campaigns for Armani, Chanel, Givenchy, Versace, etc.), and is seen as notable for having a great career “over 25” (Christ.) but it’s hard to find enough significant coverage to keep the actual article out of. I’ve seen things in Vogue and what not, but sadly it’s not sufficient here.
Trillfendi (
talk) 14:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC) They seem to believe these sources do the job, so here is withdrawn.
Trillfendi (
talk)
19:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 17:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 17:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 17:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I had no trouble finding in-depth coverage. Example, example. The article needs a cleanup. I'm not sure how much of an art career she really has, but as a model there is a lot of coverage. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- These sources barely substantiate the contents of the article (which had about 5 issue notices before I removed 3 of them). Net-a-porter, at the end of the day, is a clothing website.
Trillfendi (
talk)
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Then I guess we will need to have a shorter article. There are many, many sources out there. GNG is clearly established. Example, example, example, example, example. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Nytimes article: "When the Dutch artist and fashion model Saskia de Brauw first started traveling to New York for work, eight or so years ago, she found the city “a really overwhelming place.” NYtimes article: "A Walk Through Manhattan With Saskia de Brauw" Vogue article: "Saskia de Brauw and Vincent van de Wijngaard Go Off the Grid With a Multimedia Project, Ghosts Don’t Walk in Straight Lines". ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 17:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- These sources barely substantiate the contents of the article (which had about 5 issue notices before I removed 3 of them). Net-a-porter, at the end of the day, is a clothing website.
Trillfendi (
talk)
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - based on the multiple reliable sources found by ThatMontrealIP. Netherzone ( talk) 19:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep the many sources from ThatMontrealIP, she meets WP:BASIC and citing just one source found by , she is clearly a notable model. [1]. AfD is not cleanup, and clearly the inability of Trillfendi to find RS is not the same as failing GNG. HouseOfChange ( talk) 21:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I didn’t ask you if AfD was cleanup. One of the many issue templates said that the article‘s only attribution was a primary source. I considered whether or not general notability was met.
This was all but useless.
Trillfendi (
talk)
22:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Trillfendi Like many others, I watchlist Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Women, where clearly notable women are sometimes AfDed, as for example you recently also did at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judith_Exner. There is enough SIGCOV to show SdB is notable, as everyone else but you so far agrees. HouseOfChange ( talk) 22:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
-
Trillfendi did you do a
WP:BEFORE on this?
ThatMontrealIP (
talk)
22:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did I not just say that?
Trillfendi (
talk)
23:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yet so much SIGCOV remained invisible. [2] HouseOfChange ( talk) 14:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did I not just say that?
Trillfendi (
talk)
23:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I didn’t ask you if AfD was cleanup. One of the many issue templates said that the article‘s only attribution was a primary source. I considered whether or not general notability was met.
This was all but useless.
Trillfendi (
talk)
22:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources found. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 20:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
References
-
^ Pons, Sabrina (2012).
"Saint Laurent Paris : qui est Saskia de Brauw?". Elle.fr. Retrieved September 22, 2020.
À 29 ans, un âge qui sonne bien souvent le glas d'une carrière chez les tops, Saskia se fait très vite une place. En 2010, elle défile pour Balenciaga et Givenchy. Et tape dans l'œil de Riccardo Tisci qui la propulse égérie de sa collection en 2011. Il l'aime tellement qu'elle défile également pour sa collection homme. Dans la foulée, le créateur italien la présente à Carine Roitfeld, alors patronne de « Vogue Paris ». Subjuguée par sa silhouette masculine, elle la prend sous son aile et lui consacre un numéro. Sa coupe à la Jeanne d'Arc fait aussi son petit effet chez Chanel où Karl Lagerfeld lui fait ouvrir et fermer son défilé haute couture en 2011. En 2012, elle fait encore mieux : elle devient le nouveau visage de Chanel. Bref, une star est née. (Tr: At 29, an age that often marks the end of a career with the tops, Saskia quickly carved out a place. In 2010, she walked for Balenciaga and Givenchy. And it catches the eye of Riccardo Tisci, who propels her as the face of his collection in 2011. He loves her so much that she also walks for her men's collection. In the process, the Italian designer presents it to Carine Roitfeld, then patron of "Vogue Paris". Captivated by her masculine figure, she takes it under her wing and devotes an issue to her. Her Joan of Arc cut also had an effect at Chanel, where Karl Lagerfeld had her open and close her haute couture show in 2011. In 2012, she did even better: she became the new face of Chanel. In short, a star is born.)
-
^ Diderich, Joelle (January 25, 2016).
"Saskia de Brauw Comes Into Her Own With Art Book". Women's Wear Daily. Retrieved September 23, 2020.
Her androgynous look led to the project that perhaps best unites her artistic and modeling skills — the 2013 video for David Bowie's "The Stars (Are Out Tonight)," in which she plays a disquieting gender-bending celebrity who eventually ends up taking Bowie's place.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.