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I mentioned this in edit comment on the article, but we focus on notability first and foremost, and then look at article quality. And I agree, the article isn't great. This was an entire social class for centuries, and has been written about extensively in Korea. Lmk if you'd like me to dig up more sources.
104.232.119.107 (
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08:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
For an article this old (>10 years), wouldn't draftifying reduce the likelihood further that an article would reappear in near future or be improved? Who would be made responsible for improving the draft before it's fully deleted?
If it really comes down to delete or draftify, I can take a shot at redoing this article, but I'd prefer not to in near future. In my previous account and on this ip I've rescued several dozen unsourced articles similar to this, but this article isn't tickling my nerdy niche interests atm.
104.232.119.107 (
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08:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Obviously notable. it is laughable that we're trying to erase an entire class of people based on 'not enough sources displayed' anyone with spare time and knowledge on its hand, can find obvious traces and sources about it. so politely i want to say- Sangmin class is an integral part of Korean history, which should not be erased based on the lack of immediately available sources.
—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (
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17:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I found an English-language
source if you're interested in incorporating it into the article. Note that "yangin" is a synonym for "sangmin". Both terms just refer to commoners. The paper itself is also on a fascinating topic; I may read it myself later.
104.232.119.107 (
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21:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok after some more reading I think it's more complicated than synonym. Argh an explanation is complicated enough that I may as well just fix up the article.
104.232.119.107 (
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07:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
I mentioned this in edit comment on the article, but we focus on notability first and foremost, and then look at article quality. And I agree, the article isn't great. This was an entire social class for centuries, and has been written about extensively in Korea. Lmk if you'd like me to dig up more sources.
104.232.119.107 (
talk)
08:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
For an article this old (>10 years), wouldn't draftifying reduce the likelihood further that an article would reappear in near future or be improved? Who would be made responsible for improving the draft before it's fully deleted?
If it really comes down to delete or draftify, I can take a shot at redoing this article, but I'd prefer not to in near future. In my previous account and on this ip I've rescued several dozen unsourced articles similar to this, but this article isn't tickling my nerdy niche interests atm.
104.232.119.107 (
talk)
08:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Obviously notable. it is laughable that we're trying to erase an entire class of people based on 'not enough sources displayed' anyone with spare time and knowledge on its hand, can find obvious traces and sources about it. so politely i want to say- Sangmin class is an integral part of Korean history, which should not be erased based on the lack of immediately available sources.
—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (
talk)
17:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I found an English-language
source if you're interested in incorporating it into the article. Note that "yangin" is a synonym for "sangmin". Both terms just refer to commoners. The paper itself is also on a fascinating topic; I may read it myself later.
104.232.119.107 (
talk)
21:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok after some more reading I think it's more complicated than synonym. Argh an explanation is complicated enough that I may as well just fix up the article.
104.232.119.107 (
talk)
07:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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