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The result was merge to Music of Samurai Champloo. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Samurai Champloo Music Record: Playlist ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Was originally nominated as part of a bundle nomination of equally non-significantly-covered animated soundtrack albums, but commenters ignorant about the coverage of the topics tried to convince me they were somehow individually notable. The commenters used lousy reasoning, or WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, in trying to suggest certain topics in that nomination had individual notability. One suggested a couple of albums were by notable artists, which didn't make them notable as Notability is not inherited. Another agued "some of these articles are getting 100+ views/day", which is an invalid WP:POPULARPAGE argument. Another agued "Deleting the articles in question would delete the not insignificant article histories and revisions that could serve as rough drafts for future versions of these pages if they hold up to notability standards at a later date", which is invalid as most of these soundtracks never do and even so, we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL.
I'll individually nominate the other animation soundtrack articles, but I'm nominating all four records of the "Samurai Champloo Music Record" series for deletion because (1) There all of the same series (2) It is only four articles, people, and (3) they are all non notable. You will not find one bit of WP:SIGCOV for these albums anywhere... None! I dare you to find it. If you do, I will award you with money for a vacation to the Bahamas followed by several tickets to Chuck E. Cheeses. Please someone find coverage for these.... because I can't. At least the other animation soundtracks in that bundle animation had an Allmusic or Common Sense Media review, which doesn't itself establish WP:GNG, but I'm bringing it up to show how not notable this topic. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 17:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 17:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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!voteI created a couple of these articles I'm not completely sure about where to fall on this in terms of Wikipedia guidelines. But I can at least provide some context and sources. In terms of significant coverage of the Samurai Champloo soundtrack: here are some magazine articles from Pitchfork [1] (listed as one of 9 of "rap's most memorable animated moments") and 34th Street [2] (an album review). I believe this qualifies as WP:SIGCOV. There are also interviews [3] and a book [4] that discuss the soundtrack further in depth. The difficulty of finding more sources can be explained by two reasons. First, this music has become popular in the Lo-fi hip hop community recently, but was not popular at the time the anime was released, and thus did not receive contemporary reviews. Second, many articles about the albums and its creators are in Japanese. For instance, see this magazine interview [1] of director Shinichiro Watanabe where they discuss the Samurai Champloo soundtrack. Given there is in fact a bare minimum of significant coverage despite these factors, I would lean towards keeping this content around somewhere, perhaps refactored in some way eg. to a single page. Anair13 ( talk) 02:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- ^ "9 of Rap's Most Memorable Animated Moments". Pitchfork.
- ^ "A Fresh Look at Groundbreaking Producer Nujabes' Soundtrack for Anime 'Samurai Champloo'". 34th Street.
- ^ Tsuchida, Shinji (March 2019). "Interview - TSUTCHIE" (Interview). Interviewed by Magical Mystery Mix. Japan. Retrieved December 28, 2020.
- ^ Shinichiro Watanabe, Kazuto Nakazawa (March 13, 2007). Roman Album: Samurai Champloo. ISBN 978-1593076429.
- Thanks for the sources. I also should clarify something else. I don't have money for that Bahamas trip or any Chuck E. Cheese tickets. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 11:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ha, no problem, I won't hold you to it. Anair13 ( talk) 19:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to a new article called
Music of Samurai Champloo. Not covered as unique albums, but sources shown above by Anair13 show coverage as a set. —
Goszei (
talk)
03:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Seems like a good idea to me, this is also how Music of Cowboy Bebop is done. Happy to start this page if there is consensus. Anair13 ( talk) 06:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - There are some issues with the copy/pasted reasoning in the rush of 21 different AfDs for cartoon soundtracks by this nominator. In short, blanket reasoning for an attempted bundled AfD has been applied to every individual album therein. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pebble and the Penguin (soundtrack) for more details. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Samurai Champloo. The show's article is repetitive and unorganized on the topic of the music. There is a Soundtrack section, but then the same matters are covered in more detail a little later in the Other media section. Cleanup needs to be done over there. With that out of the way, this particular soundtrack got some minor notice due to Fat Jon's involvement, but introductory coverage at the show's article (whichever sub-section applies) is sufficient. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into a new article, titled Music of Samurai Champloo, per Goszei. Link20XX ( talk) 22:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge Following the discussion, I created the Music of Samurai Champloo page which merges these pages and adds additional sources and context; should I go ahead and make these articles redirects? (It's not clear to me what the process is to resolve an AfD.) Anair13 ( talk) 18:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Music of Samurai Champloo. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Samurai Champloo Music Record: Departure ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Samurai Champloo Music Record: Impression ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Samurai Champloo Music Record: Masta ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Samurai Champloo Music Record: Playlist ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Was originally nominated as part of a bundle nomination of equally non-significantly-covered animated soundtrack albums, but commenters ignorant about the coverage of the topics tried to convince me they were somehow individually notable. The commenters used lousy reasoning, or WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, in trying to suggest certain topics in that nomination had individual notability. One suggested a couple of albums were by notable artists, which didn't make them notable as Notability is not inherited. Another agued "some of these articles are getting 100+ views/day", which is an invalid WP:POPULARPAGE argument. Another agued "Deleting the articles in question would delete the not insignificant article histories and revisions that could serve as rough drafts for future versions of these pages if they hold up to notability standards at a later date", which is invalid as most of these soundtracks never do and even so, we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL.
I'll individually nominate the other animation soundtrack articles, but I'm nominating all four records of the "Samurai Champloo Music Record" series for deletion because (1) There all of the same series (2) It is only four articles, people, and (3) they are all non notable. You will not find one bit of WP:SIGCOV for these albums anywhere... None! I dare you to find it. If you do, I will award you with money for a vacation to the Bahamas followed by several tickets to Chuck E. Cheeses. Please someone find coverage for these.... because I can't. At least the other animation soundtracks in that bundle animation had an Allmusic or Common Sense Media review, which doesn't itself establish WP:GNG, but I'm bringing it up to show how not notable this topic. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 17:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 17:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 17:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 17:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
!voteI created a couple of these articles I'm not completely sure about where to fall on this in terms of Wikipedia guidelines. But I can at least provide some context and sources. In terms of significant coverage of the Samurai Champloo soundtrack: here are some magazine articles from Pitchfork [1] (listed as one of 9 of "rap's most memorable animated moments") and 34th Street [2] (an album review). I believe this qualifies as WP:SIGCOV. There are also interviews [3] and a book [4] that discuss the soundtrack further in depth. The difficulty of finding more sources can be explained by two reasons. First, this music has become popular in the Lo-fi hip hop community recently, but was not popular at the time the anime was released, and thus did not receive contemporary reviews. Second, many articles about the albums and its creators are in Japanese. For instance, see this magazine interview [1] of director Shinichiro Watanabe where they discuss the Samurai Champloo soundtrack. Given there is in fact a bare minimum of significant coverage despite these factors, I would lean towards keeping this content around somewhere, perhaps refactored in some way eg. to a single page. Anair13 ( talk) 02:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- ^ "9 of Rap's Most Memorable Animated Moments". Pitchfork.
- ^ "A Fresh Look at Groundbreaking Producer Nujabes' Soundtrack for Anime 'Samurai Champloo'". 34th Street.
- ^ Tsuchida, Shinji (March 2019). "Interview - TSUTCHIE" (Interview). Interviewed by Magical Mystery Mix. Japan. Retrieved December 28, 2020.
- ^ Shinichiro Watanabe, Kazuto Nakazawa (March 13, 2007). Roman Album: Samurai Champloo. ISBN 978-1593076429.
- Thanks for the sources. I also should clarify something else. I don't have money for that Bahamas trip or any Chuck E. Cheese tickets. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 11:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ha, no problem, I won't hold you to it. Anair13 ( talk) 19:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to a new article called
Music of Samurai Champloo. Not covered as unique albums, but sources shown above by Anair13 show coverage as a set. —
Goszei (
talk)
03:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Seems like a good idea to me, this is also how Music of Cowboy Bebop is done. Happy to start this page if there is consensus. Anair13 ( talk) 06:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - There are some issues with the copy/pasted reasoning in the rush of 21 different AfDs for cartoon soundtracks by this nominator. In short, blanket reasoning for an attempted bundled AfD has been applied to every individual album therein. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pebble and the Penguin (soundtrack) for more details. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Samurai Champloo. The show's article is repetitive and unorganized on the topic of the music. There is a Soundtrack section, but then the same matters are covered in more detail a little later in the Other media section. Cleanup needs to be done over there. With that out of the way, this particular soundtrack got some minor notice due to Fat Jon's involvement, but introductory coverage at the show's article (whichever sub-section applies) is sufficient. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into a new article, titled Music of Samurai Champloo, per Goszei. Link20XX ( talk) 22:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Merge Following the discussion, I created the Music of Samurai Champloo page which merges these pages and adds additional sources and context; should I go ahead and make these articles redirects? (It's not clear to me what the process is to resolve an AfD.) Anair13 ( talk) 18:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.