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The result was WP:SNOW keep. BD2412 T 16:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Sadie Hawkins Day
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Not independently notable of the fiction itself, and otherwise a dictionary definition. There is insufficient third party coverage to make a stand-alone notable article, in accordance with the general notability guideline. Shooterwalker ( talk) 01:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs ( talk) 01:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The comic strip started a real-world annual tradition that was covered by the press for decades. I've found coverage here:
- " Some Fun Is On the Way — Sadie Hawkins Day Is Near", The Pittsburgh Press (Oct 19, 1940)
- " On Your Marks, Girls! Sadie Hawkins Day Is Nov. 9", The Jackson Clarion-Ledger (Oct 20, 1946)
- " Al Capp Tells How to Conduct a 'Sadie Hawkins Day'" by Paul F. Kneeland, The Boston Sunday Globe (Nov 6, 1949)
- " Carbon Carbonettes to Sponsor Annual Sadie Hawkins Day Events Tomorrow", The Price Sun-Advocate (Nov 23, 1950)
- " Sadie Hawkins Day comes and goes: Tradition used to empower women diminishes as society changes" by Matt Katz, The Camden Courier-Post (Feb 26, 2004)
- I'll work on expanding the article. For now, I believe that these sources demonstrate notability. — Toughpigs ( talk) 01:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - The article should definitely be expanded to have coverage of the event(s) that became real-world traditions, but there do seem to be quite a number of sources that discuss the phenomenon. I suggest that we might want to merge Sadie Hawkins dance here, as well, to cover the entire breadth of the topic. Rorshacma ( talk) 02:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. There is abundant significant coverage (just click on the links at the top of this page). Nominator clearly did not do WP:BEFORE. Softlavender ( talk) 06:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy keep A fictional element that took on life in the real world and has had enduring cultural significance; 80 years later, it is still being "celebrated". edited to add: I just took a look at the shape the article was in when it was nominated, and it was an unsourced and rather sad article. However, a proper WP:BEFORE would have shown the notability. Good work by Toughpigs improving it. Schazjmd (talk) 13:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Snow Keep as this is clearly notable per Toughpigs, as well as a simple WP:BEFORE as stated by Schazjmd. Just the news and books links provided for Google searches turn up a plethora of information from tabloids to local press to national pop culture ( People, Seventeen) all the way up to respected publications such as The Atlantic, Time, and The New York Times. I agree that a merge of some sort may not be a bad idea, but deciding the best spot to merge into doesn't need to hold up this AfD. (I would argue they should come into this article, though.) - 2pou ( talk) 22:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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- KEEP I click Google news and the first results I see Seventeen magazine has an article titled What Even is a Sadie Hawkins Dance and Where Did It Come From? [1] and People magazine has Celebrate the History of Sadie Hawkins Day – in Real Life and on TV [2]. Please just search for references before nominating anything for deletion in the future. Dream Focus 00:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- keep per the above arguments. Artw ( talk) 05:46, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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The result was WP:SNOW keep. BD2412 T 16:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Sadie Hawkins Day
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Not independently notable of the fiction itself, and otherwise a dictionary definition. There is insufficient third party coverage to make a stand-alone notable article, in accordance with the general notability guideline. Shooterwalker ( talk) 01:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs ( talk) 01:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The comic strip started a real-world annual tradition that was covered by the press for decades. I've found coverage here:
- " Some Fun Is On the Way — Sadie Hawkins Day Is Near", The Pittsburgh Press (Oct 19, 1940)
- " On Your Marks, Girls! Sadie Hawkins Day Is Nov. 9", The Jackson Clarion-Ledger (Oct 20, 1946)
- " Al Capp Tells How to Conduct a 'Sadie Hawkins Day'" by Paul F. Kneeland, The Boston Sunday Globe (Nov 6, 1949)
- " Carbon Carbonettes to Sponsor Annual Sadie Hawkins Day Events Tomorrow", The Price Sun-Advocate (Nov 23, 1950)
- " Sadie Hawkins Day comes and goes: Tradition used to empower women diminishes as society changes" by Matt Katz, The Camden Courier-Post (Feb 26, 2004)
- I'll work on expanding the article. For now, I believe that these sources demonstrate notability. — Toughpigs ( talk) 01:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - The article should definitely be expanded to have coverage of the event(s) that became real-world traditions, but there do seem to be quite a number of sources that discuss the phenomenon. I suggest that we might want to merge Sadie Hawkins dance here, as well, to cover the entire breadth of the topic. Rorshacma ( talk) 02:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. There is abundant significant coverage (just click on the links at the top of this page). Nominator clearly did not do WP:BEFORE. Softlavender ( talk) 06:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy keep A fictional element that took on life in the real world and has had enduring cultural significance; 80 years later, it is still being "celebrated". edited to add: I just took a look at the shape the article was in when it was nominated, and it was an unsourced and rather sad article. However, a proper WP:BEFORE would have shown the notability. Good work by Toughpigs improving it. Schazjmd (talk) 13:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Snow Keep as this is clearly notable per Toughpigs, as well as a simple WP:BEFORE as stated by Schazjmd. Just the news and books links provided for Google searches turn up a plethora of information from tabloids to local press to national pop culture ( People, Seventeen) all the way up to respected publications such as The Atlantic, Time, and The New York Times. I agree that a merge of some sort may not be a bad idea, but deciding the best spot to merge into doesn't need to hold up this AfD. (I would argue they should come into this article, though.) - 2pou ( talk) 22:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP I click Google news and the first results I see Seventeen magazine has an article titled What Even is a Sadie Hawkins Dance and Where Did It Come From? [1] and People magazine has Celebrate the History of Sadie Hawkins Day – in Real Life and on TV [2]. Please just search for references before nominating anything for deletion in the future. Dream Focus 00:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- keep per the above arguments. Artw ( talk) 05:46, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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