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The result was redirect to Montserrat Championship. Closing as redirect to Montserrat Championship. History is preserved under redirect, which can be used for merge or expansion, if required. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Royal Montserrat Police Force FC
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Contested PROD. No real indication that this is a notable team. The League they played in was short lived and no longer active. The only found references was a listing of previous champions of the now defunct Montserrat Championship. I can't see this passing WP:GNG. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 01:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Football. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 01:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of football clubs in MontserratMontserrat Championship per nom. Fails GNG based on very limited SOGCOV. However, as a club who won six championships it its country's top flight league, it is a very reasonable search term, so I am strongly opposed to deletion. Frank Anchor 01:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: changed target as my originally proposed target is undergoing its own AFD. Frank Anchor 19:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Police, and Caribbean. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to Royal Montserrat Police Service. Again there was no thought to appropriate locations, this club is part of the police service which actually has a page on wikipedia about them. So why would anyone want to redirect anywhere else. If someone else says that the club is not mentioned there and so shouldn't be redirected, well it would be mentioned if merged! This should be pretty straight forward to fix. Govvy ( talk) 08:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I am fine with this as a redirect/merge option as well, though I believe a football-specific target is most appropriate. Frank Anchor 13:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)- I see no evidence that the team "is part of the police service" AusLondonder ( talk) 16:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Although it does fail
WP:SIGCOV standards, we cannot expect the Montserratian football system to receive meaningful, reliable coverage in mainstream media sources. This is historically the best football club in Montserrat. If we delete this article, we are jumping deeper and deeper into
WP:BIAS by maintaining impossible standards for leagues (and players) from developing countries, effectively claiming that they are "unimportant." We can use the Swedish eighth division
AfD as an example of this
WP:BIAS.
Anwegmann (
talk) 15:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- This nomination is about a specific team, not an entire league. The (defunct) league is covered at
Montserrat Championship although it itself is unfortunately lacking sources. Montserrat is not a "developing country" it's a small British territory. I don't agree that very small teams without a single reliable source should be kept just because they're from an autonomous territory rather than say a small town of 4000 people.
AusLondonder (
talk) 16:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- A British territory that is self-governing, more than 4,000 miles away from Great Britain, was nearly annihilated by a volcano 30 years ago, and has a GDP of less than half that of Great Britain. It is by all measures a representative of the global south and a small island developing state according to the UN. I appreciate the fact that the league article exists, but this team is as notable a team as this league has. Anwegmann ( talk) 18:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- This nomination is about a specific team, not an entire league. The (defunct) league is covered at
Montserrat Championship although it itself is unfortunately lacking sources. Montserrat is not a "developing country" it's a small British territory. I don't agree that very small teams without a single reliable source should be kept just because they're from an autonomous territory rather than say a small town of 4000 people.
AusLondonder (
talk) 16:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No significant coverage in secondary sources. Per WP:NTEAM no sports team is exempt from notability requirements irrespective of the size of the territory they are from. A redirect to List of football clubs in Montserrat is inappropriate because that list is completely unsourced, and is at least six years out of date. It should also be deleted. AusLondonder ( talk) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect – Per @ Govvy. Svartner ( talk) 16:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Please see related AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of football clubs in Montserrat. AusLondonder ( talk) 16:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Montserrat Championship - possible search term, and more useful target than the police. Giant Snowman 09:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Montserrat Championship as preferred WP:ATD. ETA: I'm OK with keep too but haven't done my own notability assessment to support such a !vote. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Five-time winners of the Montserrat league, which is FIFA affiliated. I can't find much online about them but their championships were even reported (in list format) in the New York Times. It's probable there are offline sources written about them, and I don't see how deleting this improves the encyclopaedia - we just really need someone from Montserrat to help save it. SportingFlyer T· C 20:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Montserrat Championship. Closing as redirect to Montserrat Championship. History is preserved under redirect, which can be used for merge or expansion, if required. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Royal Montserrat Police Force FC
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Contested PROD. No real indication that this is a notable team. The League they played in was short lived and no longer active. The only found references was a listing of previous champions of the now defunct Montserrat Championship. I can't see this passing WP:GNG. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 01:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Football. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 01:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of football clubs in MontserratMontserrat Championship per nom. Fails GNG based on very limited SOGCOV. However, as a club who won six championships it its country's top flight league, it is a very reasonable search term, so I am strongly opposed to deletion. Frank Anchor 01:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: changed target as my originally proposed target is undergoing its own AFD. Frank Anchor 19:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Police, and Caribbean. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to Royal Montserrat Police Service. Again there was no thought to appropriate locations, this club is part of the police service which actually has a page on wikipedia about them. So why would anyone want to redirect anywhere else. If someone else says that the club is not mentioned there and so shouldn't be redirected, well it would be mentioned if merged! This should be pretty straight forward to fix. Govvy ( talk) 08:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I am fine with this as a redirect/merge option as well, though I believe a football-specific target is most appropriate. Frank Anchor 13:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)- I see no evidence that the team "is part of the police service" AusLondonder ( talk) 16:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Although it does fail
WP:SIGCOV standards, we cannot expect the Montserratian football system to receive meaningful, reliable coverage in mainstream media sources. This is historically the best football club in Montserrat. If we delete this article, we are jumping deeper and deeper into
WP:BIAS by maintaining impossible standards for leagues (and players) from developing countries, effectively claiming that they are "unimportant." We can use the Swedish eighth division
AfD as an example of this
WP:BIAS.
Anwegmann (
talk) 15:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- This nomination is about a specific team, not an entire league. The (defunct) league is covered at
Montserrat Championship although it itself is unfortunately lacking sources. Montserrat is not a "developing country" it's a small British territory. I don't agree that very small teams without a single reliable source should be kept just because they're from an autonomous territory rather than say a small town of 4000 people.
AusLondonder (
talk) 16:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- A British territory that is self-governing, more than 4,000 miles away from Great Britain, was nearly annihilated by a volcano 30 years ago, and has a GDP of less than half that of Great Britain. It is by all measures a representative of the global south and a small island developing state according to the UN. I appreciate the fact that the league article exists, but this team is as notable a team as this league has. Anwegmann ( talk) 18:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- This nomination is about a specific team, not an entire league. The (defunct) league is covered at
Montserrat Championship although it itself is unfortunately lacking sources. Montserrat is not a "developing country" it's a small British territory. I don't agree that very small teams without a single reliable source should be kept just because they're from an autonomous territory rather than say a small town of 4000 people.
AusLondonder (
talk) 16:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No significant coverage in secondary sources. Per WP:NTEAM no sports team is exempt from notability requirements irrespective of the size of the territory they are from. A redirect to List of football clubs in Montserrat is inappropriate because that list is completely unsourced, and is at least six years out of date. It should also be deleted. AusLondonder ( talk) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect – Per @ Govvy. Svartner ( talk) 16:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Please see related AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of football clubs in Montserrat. AusLondonder ( talk) 16:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Montserrat Championship - possible search term, and more useful target than the police. Giant Snowman 09:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Montserrat Championship as preferred WP:ATD. ETA: I'm OK with keep too but haven't done my own notability assessment to support such a !vote. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Five-time winners of the Montserrat league, which is FIFA affiliated. I can't find much online about them but their championships were even reported (in list format) in the New York Times. It's probable there are offline sources written about them, and I don't see how deleting this improves the encyclopaedia - we just really need someone from Montserrat to help save it. SportingFlyer T· C 20:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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