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The result was merge to Dance in Cambodia. (non-admin closure) voorts ( talk/ contributions) 02:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Robam Neary Chea Chuor
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The WP:PROD was removed, but there are still no sources (of the three links one leads to a Khmer-page language describing a particular song, second one is dead, third one is to the video). I have spend reasonable time trying to locate reliable sources in English and Khmer (second one using translation tools) and came up empty. Викидим ( talk) 20:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Comment I can't find anything on it even in Khmer, except this and a brief mention here . Lots of videos on YouTube, TikTok and Facebook which would indicate cultural notability but we do need sources... This is about Thai students singing a song of the same name. Perhaps try different spellings and variations in searching? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 04:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- (numbers correspond to the order of sources in the previous reply)
- More or less the same text as ours, indeed (with a different spelling,). Considering that the text on Internet is from May 2021 and ours is from 2007, I would not call it WP:COPYVIO, as it seems that the source has copied our text wholesale and thus cannot be considered a WP:RS.
- Precisely "“Neary Chea Chour” is a Cambodian Classical dance piece featuring song lyrics about beautiful young women dancing in a row." (no "Robam", and, yes, I have already learned during search that "robam" means "dance"). No costumes, no "traditional", no neighboring countries - nothing that is in the text.
- Videos on Youtube appear to not contain any information that can substantiate our text, much less even a small article
- I can also point to few more sources in Khmer that described some songs with similar names that have pretty modern authors. It does not substantiate our text about dance, again.
- All said, we are left with #2 that I did indeed miss. I will add it to the lists of Cambodian dances as a source. But surely an article cannot be written based on this source alone. Perhaps, the current text can be transferred to
Dance in Cambodia and replaced by a redirect?
Викидим (
talk)
07:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I think a merge to that would be best.♦
Dr. Blofeld
16:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not Redirect or Merge this article while this AFD is still open. The closure has yet to be determined. Liz Read! Talk! 23:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I think a merge to that would be best.♦
Dr. Blofeld
16:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Dance in Cambodia. Google translate (របាំនារីជាជួរ) gives (Women's line dance). It seems to be a generic name for dances where several women in traditional costume dance in a line, not a specific dance. Perhaps something could be said about the genre, but my search only gets videos. Aymatth2 ( talk) 18:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Dance in Cambodia. (non-admin closure) voorts ( talk/ contributions) 02:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Robam Neary Chea Chuor
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The WP:PROD was removed, but there are still no sources (of the three links one leads to a Khmer-page language describing a particular song, second one is dead, third one is to the video). I have spend reasonable time trying to locate reliable sources in English and Khmer (second one using translation tools) and came up empty. Викидим ( talk) 20:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Comment I can't find anything on it even in Khmer, except this and a brief mention here . Lots of videos on YouTube, TikTok and Facebook which would indicate cultural notability but we do need sources... This is about Thai students singing a song of the same name. Perhaps try different spellings and variations in searching? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 04:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- (numbers correspond to the order of sources in the previous reply)
- More or less the same text as ours, indeed (with a different spelling,). Considering that the text on Internet is from May 2021 and ours is from 2007, I would not call it WP:COPYVIO, as it seems that the source has copied our text wholesale and thus cannot be considered a WP:RS.
- Precisely "“Neary Chea Chour” is a Cambodian Classical dance piece featuring song lyrics about beautiful young women dancing in a row." (no "Robam", and, yes, I have already learned during search that "robam" means "dance"). No costumes, no "traditional", no neighboring countries - nothing that is in the text.
- Videos on Youtube appear to not contain any information that can substantiate our text, much less even a small article
- I can also point to few more sources in Khmer that described some songs with similar names that have pretty modern authors. It does not substantiate our text about dance, again.
- All said, we are left with #2 that I did indeed miss. I will add it to the lists of Cambodian dances as a source. But surely an article cannot be written based on this source alone. Perhaps, the current text can be transferred to
Dance in Cambodia and replaced by a redirect?
Викидим (
talk)
07:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I think a merge to that would be best.♦
Dr. Blofeld
16:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not Redirect or Merge this article while this AFD is still open. The closure has yet to be determined. Liz Read! Talk! 23:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I think a merge to that would be best.♦
Dr. Blofeld
16:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Dance in Cambodia. Google translate (របាំនារីជាជួរ) gives (Women's line dance). It seems to be a generic name for dances where several women in traditional costume dance in a line, not a specific dance. Perhaps something could be said about the genre, but my search only gets videos. Aymatth2 ( talk) 18:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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