The result was Delete. The "keep" !votes confuse citations with in-depth coverage. This has nothing to do with the subject being an activist or alternative medicine practitioner, because a "mainstream" medical practitioner would not be judged notable with this number of citations either (many hundreds, close to a thousand at least, would be needed for that). Randykitty ( talk) 12:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Obscure alternative medicine author/practitioner/UFO activist fails notability requirements for a biography.
LuckyLouie (
talk) 12:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
:* Reply to LuckyLouie, Obscure ??????? That is a totally incorrect statement. Obscure would mean exactly that. If she was obscure she would not have the profile that she has today. Have a look at her profile in the issue of Codex Alimentarius, vaccination, GM foods, books and magazines, online references. There's so much out there and if you're not looking then you're not looking etc. (
Boss Reality (
talk)
10:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC))
*Keep; Dr Laibow is notable as someone can be notable. Explanation. Well known public speaker on multiple issues ranging from GM food to pharmaceutical issues. She has appeared in medical books and manuals as a contributor as well as someone who is often quoted. Books that have been published via publishing companies as well as some self-published, feature her prominently in many of them. These have been sold worldwide and end up in libraries and homes and other places all around the world. To insinuate that she is somehow not notable is false. She has also appeared in a multitude of documentaries I believe. She's appeared in some
Alex Jones as well. (
Brother Samson (
talk)
22:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC))
(
Boss Reality (
talk)
11:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC))
( Boss Reality ( talk) 10:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC))
Notable for contrtibution to the psychiatric profession. Numerous contribition, quotation or referncing. There exists a possibility that there is another psychologist with exactly the other name but I'd find that a very remote possibility. In fact, I'd put more money on the truthfulness and the genuinity of the UFO abductees that Laibow has intervied than the possibility of there being two people with the same name. OK humour aside, Rima Laibow has a whole plethora of references in many books. Too many to be ignored! From what I can see and from observing the article originators efforts in gathering the info to show us here, I'd say that if Laibow continues to do what she's doing and if the pyschiatric, holistic, alternative and accepted to be normal medical professions profession continues to function, we'll see more and more books and references to her. A point was made here about NY times not having anything on her. Well ... I think that if any journalist covered her they may have to look for another job. No doubt with wwhat's been presented here. And from what I've seen elswhere with the limited looking here and there that I've done, she's more than notable! ( Starman005 ( talk) 06:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC))
( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC))
:* Comment to Dougweller, If you have convinced yourself that the others by their efforts have failed then you have convinced your own mind pretty well. It's obvious to me that Dr Rima Laibow is a notable person and her work is. Now having partaken in this I feel compelled to take an active role in editing the article. It's been made a mess of because certain notable things that were integral to the article should have been left in place. If what you say is true that the references were not that solid then an effort should have been made to improve then wwill searching for better solid references. Taking the complete "wipe out" process leaves the article frgamented and isn't the best thing for Wikipedia. Now more effort has to be made to make the flow better. I'll be now watching this article like a hawk and if there's anything to do to improve then I'll be right there in the front line.
(
Starman005 (
talk)
05:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC))
*Keep , It seems highly unusual that this article is nominated for deletion. Seems like someone is missing something here. :) There's enough notable information in multiple directions to satisfy many of the most important criteria. I fail to see how this is disputed when the evidence of notability is in your face so to speak. (
Joecreation (
talk)
08:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC))
There is so much on Rima Laibow out there and it seems that there is either fear of her or what she is saying or complete and utter naiivity on part of certain editors who have either never learnt about other movements, organisations or issues in the wide, wide world.
Rima Laibow is a prominent and highly notable figure in the anti GM , anti Codex , vaccination awareness movements. She is quoted, referred to continually and continally in magazines, books and articles that report on or are about medical, pyschological, trauma based issues. The sme can be said for health, nutrition and yes .... even UFO abductions. There's a lot of articles in Wikipedia about similar people that don't come anywhere close to the wide spread that Laibow does. Not even close !!! To say that she's not notable is like saying Steve Hager isn't notable and worthy of inclusion here in Wikipedia. I bet the CIA file on Rima is twice as thick as the one that is on Steven. Respectfully I say that I can't discount the possibility that Rima Laibow and what she stands for may upset and frighten certain people more than Steve Hagan ever could.( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:49, 1 July 2014 (UTC))
Accusations are deliberately misleading, spurious and inaccurate. This is a calculated attempt to eliminate an article that someone or some corporation finds subjectively offensive and raises questions that are unfounded in facts. Objectors raise questions to which they and anyone else can easily find the answers and are therefore such objections are spurious and unwarranted. RichPikiwEagle ( talk) 04:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichPikiwEagle ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 1 July 2014
*Comment, strange that Doug weller kept deleting the Rima connection on Albert Stubblebimne but left this as edit 13:21, 26 June 2014 Dougweller (talk | contribs) . . (5,074 bytes) (+107) . . (→Biography: divorced in 1994 for adultery (
Boss Reality (
talk)
11:13, 1 July 2014 (UTC))
:::Comment. Others here just might wonder why an editor who is so dilligent at editing out certain things because he deems them not worth mentioning would and (correct me if I'm wrong), twice revert my edit where I edited in the fact that Albert Stubblebine is married to Rima Laibow. Then add in info that he committed aldultery with a female psychiatrist ..... "13:21, 26 June 2014 Dougweller (talk | contribs) . . (5,074 bytes) (+107) . . (→Biography: divorced in 1994 for adultery (evidently with a female psychiatrist, unnamed))". So why is it more important to Dougweller that readers see he was divorced for adultery in 1994 than readers seeing and knowing that his current wife today is Rima Laibow who just happens to be a female psychiatrist? Just seems highly strange! (
Boss Reality (
talk)
10:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC))
:::::Comment, Great point Tomwsulcer! If this is so then it's a great thing. There has been a long drought and if it's coming to an end then there's possibly hope for us all. People may actually be starting to wake up and get in and get involved. This should be pleasing to you because if the desert has flowers are sprouting up that means that there is still fertility. You'd benefit from that. Where there is no fertilty the place is barren. Where there is fertility the place has a chance to come alive. And, if people are starting to wake up then I'm glad to be in a world that is waking up. Where the opposite of that is the case then only those who have no idea of reality will be happy. Yours in peace, life, love and truth. (
Boss Reality (
talk) 22:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC))
* KEEP - I believe that Rima Laibow is definitely credible enough to have a biography on Wikipedia. It will just take me and others a bit longer to establish a 'credible' layout under your Wikipedia standards. I'm sure you are familiar that independent people in any form of life are hard to reference as they are usually outside of the status quo. For example, I have Laibow's professional resume with me that lists a mountain of medical reports her name is attached too. However, since I cannot reference her resume, I need to dig vigorously to try and find where these are in databases. It's a hard process. I can assure you that Laibow's biography deserves to be included as a Wikipedia page, nonetheless. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Oxide313 (
talk •
contribs)
11:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC) {{spa|Oxide313}}
:: Reply to AndyTheGrump, I totally disagree and dispute what you said,
Quote: Why the hell should we provide free publicity for a fringe conspiracy website? Unless and until reputable third-party sources consider such things of significance, they don't belong in the article. Along with the rest of the vacuous puffery you have been adding. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC) Unquote.
There is no free publicity going on for a fringe conspiracy website. None at all. If that were the case then certain things for Alex Jones, Obama, Tom Jones etc etc would be free publicity. You're wrong on all counts my friend. Totally wrong! There are many good solid sources around. The issue here is that this article IMO is being attacked as the subject is deemed to be too controversial. And vacuous puffery can hardly be applied here. Articles about people no matter how contrioversial or how they turn the accepted truth on it's head have a place in Wikipedia. Yes Rima Laibow is a very controversial person. She is deliberately ignored by much of the main stream media because some may feel that she exposes certain things. I'm not her advocate here. I'm just pointing out what and how certain people feel. In spite of that she has found her way into some major book and magazine publications. Theres such a vast range of acceptablbe / notable and obviously some "out there" types of books and magazines that she has either contributed to or has been referenced in. We're looking at (*) medical, (*) nutritional, (*) health, (*) conspiracy, (*) UFO, (*) psychological, (*) political books and magazines. And we could be looking easily at something well over 100. She'll doublessly be referred to and quoted in many new publicatons for years to come. Have a look and do the homework. She has the profile of easily worthy note and prominence in the (*) vaccination awareness, (*) anti GM and (*) anti codex alimentarius movments. She's appeared in interviews by notable people and she's someone that certain people would love to silence. If what she is saying and what she stands for is wrong, bad, unpatriotic, or WHY then she still has a place in Wikipedia regardless (
Boss Reality (
talk)
10:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
Academic > Authors > Rima E. Laibow
Rima E. Laibow
Fields: Neuroscience
Publications: 7 | Citations: 27
Fields: Neuroscience
Collaborated with 6 co-authors from 1999 to 2005 | Cited by 16 authors
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/24403715/rima-e-laibow
( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
Now in reply to your saying - Quote If you are attempting to establish notability by digging up everything Laibow has written, said, or done to add to the article, you are in gross violation of WP:OR Unquote, That's totally incorrect and uncalled for! I totally reject what your're suggesting. For starters, If I were to dig up everything that Dr Rima Laibow has written or where she's been referenced, I'd be doing six month task. The stuff keeps popping up all the time and we'd actually have to have another article made for that. NO! My reason for finding what I have found and puuting it here is for two reasons. One to give interested parties something to work with. And two to counteract what I see is the agenda against this article as per the first Delete vote that tried to make out she was some kind of obscure fring figure. Thanks. ( Boss Reality ( talk) 23:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
( Boss Reality ( talk) 10:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
Let's take the middle ground here and say that Rima Laibow may be right or she may be wrong about what she says about the pharmaceutical industry and what it's up to, and other controversial things. Either way there are going to be certain parties and individuals that don't like what she says and will try to silence this. Censorship is one way and another is by ridicule.
If Wikipedia is going to have a censorshop process then there should be an incication that this is a policy. Thanks ( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC))
The result was Delete. The "keep" !votes confuse citations with in-depth coverage. This has nothing to do with the subject being an activist or alternative medicine practitioner, because a "mainstream" medical practitioner would not be judged notable with this number of citations either (many hundreds, close to a thousand at least, would be needed for that). Randykitty ( talk) 12:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Obscure alternative medicine author/practitioner/UFO activist fails notability requirements for a biography.
LuckyLouie (
talk) 12:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
:* Reply to LuckyLouie, Obscure ??????? That is a totally incorrect statement. Obscure would mean exactly that. If she was obscure she would not have the profile that she has today. Have a look at her profile in the issue of Codex Alimentarius, vaccination, GM foods, books and magazines, online references. There's so much out there and if you're not looking then you're not looking etc. (
Boss Reality (
talk)
10:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC))
*Keep; Dr Laibow is notable as someone can be notable. Explanation. Well known public speaker on multiple issues ranging from GM food to pharmaceutical issues. She has appeared in medical books and manuals as a contributor as well as someone who is often quoted. Books that have been published via publishing companies as well as some self-published, feature her prominently in many of them. These have been sold worldwide and end up in libraries and homes and other places all around the world. To insinuate that she is somehow not notable is false. She has also appeared in a multitude of documentaries I believe. She's appeared in some
Alex Jones as well. (
Brother Samson (
talk)
22:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC))
(
Boss Reality (
talk)
11:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC))
( Boss Reality ( talk) 10:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC))
Notable for contrtibution to the psychiatric profession. Numerous contribition, quotation or referncing. There exists a possibility that there is another psychologist with exactly the other name but I'd find that a very remote possibility. In fact, I'd put more money on the truthfulness and the genuinity of the UFO abductees that Laibow has intervied than the possibility of there being two people with the same name. OK humour aside, Rima Laibow has a whole plethora of references in many books. Too many to be ignored! From what I can see and from observing the article originators efforts in gathering the info to show us here, I'd say that if Laibow continues to do what she's doing and if the pyschiatric, holistic, alternative and accepted to be normal medical professions profession continues to function, we'll see more and more books and references to her. A point was made here about NY times not having anything on her. Well ... I think that if any journalist covered her they may have to look for another job. No doubt with wwhat's been presented here. And from what I've seen elswhere with the limited looking here and there that I've done, she's more than notable! ( Starman005 ( talk) 06:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC))
( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC))
:* Comment to Dougweller, If you have convinced yourself that the others by their efforts have failed then you have convinced your own mind pretty well. It's obvious to me that Dr Rima Laibow is a notable person and her work is. Now having partaken in this I feel compelled to take an active role in editing the article. It's been made a mess of because certain notable things that were integral to the article should have been left in place. If what you say is true that the references were not that solid then an effort should have been made to improve then wwill searching for better solid references. Taking the complete "wipe out" process leaves the article frgamented and isn't the best thing for Wikipedia. Now more effort has to be made to make the flow better. I'll be now watching this article like a hawk and if there's anything to do to improve then I'll be right there in the front line.
(
Starman005 (
talk)
05:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC))
*Keep , It seems highly unusual that this article is nominated for deletion. Seems like someone is missing something here. :) There's enough notable information in multiple directions to satisfy many of the most important criteria. I fail to see how this is disputed when the evidence of notability is in your face so to speak. (
Joecreation (
talk)
08:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC))
There is so much on Rima Laibow out there and it seems that there is either fear of her or what she is saying or complete and utter naiivity on part of certain editors who have either never learnt about other movements, organisations or issues in the wide, wide world.
Rima Laibow is a prominent and highly notable figure in the anti GM , anti Codex , vaccination awareness movements. She is quoted, referred to continually and continally in magazines, books and articles that report on or are about medical, pyschological, trauma based issues. The sme can be said for health, nutrition and yes .... even UFO abductions. There's a lot of articles in Wikipedia about similar people that don't come anywhere close to the wide spread that Laibow does. Not even close !!! To say that she's not notable is like saying Steve Hager isn't notable and worthy of inclusion here in Wikipedia. I bet the CIA file on Rima is twice as thick as the one that is on Steven. Respectfully I say that I can't discount the possibility that Rima Laibow and what she stands for may upset and frighten certain people more than Steve Hagan ever could.( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:49, 1 July 2014 (UTC))
Accusations are deliberately misleading, spurious and inaccurate. This is a calculated attempt to eliminate an article that someone or some corporation finds subjectively offensive and raises questions that are unfounded in facts. Objectors raise questions to which they and anyone else can easily find the answers and are therefore such objections are spurious and unwarranted. RichPikiwEagle ( talk) 04:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichPikiwEagle ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 1 July 2014
*Comment, strange that Doug weller kept deleting the Rima connection on Albert Stubblebimne but left this as edit 13:21, 26 June 2014 Dougweller (talk | contribs) . . (5,074 bytes) (+107) . . (→Biography: divorced in 1994 for adultery (
Boss Reality (
talk)
11:13, 1 July 2014 (UTC))
:::Comment. Others here just might wonder why an editor who is so dilligent at editing out certain things because he deems them not worth mentioning would and (correct me if I'm wrong), twice revert my edit where I edited in the fact that Albert Stubblebine is married to Rima Laibow. Then add in info that he committed aldultery with a female psychiatrist ..... "13:21, 26 June 2014 Dougweller (talk | contribs) . . (5,074 bytes) (+107) . . (→Biography: divorced in 1994 for adultery (evidently with a female psychiatrist, unnamed))". So why is it more important to Dougweller that readers see he was divorced for adultery in 1994 than readers seeing and knowing that his current wife today is Rima Laibow who just happens to be a female psychiatrist? Just seems highly strange! (
Boss Reality (
talk)
10:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC))
:::::Comment, Great point Tomwsulcer! If this is so then it's a great thing. There has been a long drought and if it's coming to an end then there's possibly hope for us all. People may actually be starting to wake up and get in and get involved. This should be pleasing to you because if the desert has flowers are sprouting up that means that there is still fertility. You'd benefit from that. Where there is no fertilty the place is barren. Where there is fertility the place has a chance to come alive. And, if people are starting to wake up then I'm glad to be in a world that is waking up. Where the opposite of that is the case then only those who have no idea of reality will be happy. Yours in peace, life, love and truth. (
Boss Reality (
talk) 22:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC))
* KEEP - I believe that Rima Laibow is definitely credible enough to have a biography on Wikipedia. It will just take me and others a bit longer to establish a 'credible' layout under your Wikipedia standards. I'm sure you are familiar that independent people in any form of life are hard to reference as they are usually outside of the status quo. For example, I have Laibow's professional resume with me that lists a mountain of medical reports her name is attached too. However, since I cannot reference her resume, I need to dig vigorously to try and find where these are in databases. It's a hard process. I can assure you that Laibow's biography deserves to be included as a Wikipedia page, nonetheless. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Oxide313 (
talk •
contribs)
11:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC) {{spa|Oxide313}}
:: Reply to AndyTheGrump, I totally disagree and dispute what you said,
Quote: Why the hell should we provide free publicity for a fringe conspiracy website? Unless and until reputable third-party sources consider such things of significance, they don't belong in the article. Along with the rest of the vacuous puffery you have been adding. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC) Unquote.
There is no free publicity going on for a fringe conspiracy website. None at all. If that were the case then certain things for Alex Jones, Obama, Tom Jones etc etc would be free publicity. You're wrong on all counts my friend. Totally wrong! There are many good solid sources around. The issue here is that this article IMO is being attacked as the subject is deemed to be too controversial. And vacuous puffery can hardly be applied here. Articles about people no matter how contrioversial or how they turn the accepted truth on it's head have a place in Wikipedia. Yes Rima Laibow is a very controversial person. She is deliberately ignored by much of the main stream media because some may feel that she exposes certain things. I'm not her advocate here. I'm just pointing out what and how certain people feel. In spite of that she has found her way into some major book and magazine publications. Theres such a vast range of acceptablbe / notable and obviously some "out there" types of books and magazines that she has either contributed to or has been referenced in. We're looking at (*) medical, (*) nutritional, (*) health, (*) conspiracy, (*) UFO, (*) psychological, (*) political books and magazines. And we could be looking easily at something well over 100. She'll doublessly be referred to and quoted in many new publicatons for years to come. Have a look and do the homework. She has the profile of easily worthy note and prominence in the (*) vaccination awareness, (*) anti GM and (*) anti codex alimentarius movments. She's appeared in interviews by notable people and she's someone that certain people would love to silence. If what she is saying and what she stands for is wrong, bad, unpatriotic, or WHY then she still has a place in Wikipedia regardless (
Boss Reality (
talk)
10:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
Academic > Authors > Rima E. Laibow
Rima E. Laibow
Fields: Neuroscience
Publications: 7 | Citations: 27
Fields: Neuroscience
Collaborated with 6 co-authors from 1999 to 2005 | Cited by 16 authors
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/24403715/rima-e-laibow
( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
Now in reply to your saying - Quote If you are attempting to establish notability by digging up everything Laibow has written, said, or done to add to the article, you are in gross violation of WP:OR Unquote, That's totally incorrect and uncalled for! I totally reject what your're suggesting. For starters, If I were to dig up everything that Dr Rima Laibow has written or where she's been referenced, I'd be doing six month task. The stuff keeps popping up all the time and we'd actually have to have another article made for that. NO! My reason for finding what I have found and puuting it here is for two reasons. One to give interested parties something to work with. And two to counteract what I see is the agenda against this article as per the first Delete vote that tried to make out she was some kind of obscure fring figure. Thanks. ( Boss Reality ( talk) 23:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
( Boss Reality ( talk) 10:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC))
Let's take the middle ground here and say that Rima Laibow may be right or she may be wrong about what she says about the pharmaceutical industry and what it's up to, and other controversial things. Either way there are going to be certain parties and individuals that don't like what she says and will try to silence this. Censorship is one way and another is by ridicule.
If Wikipedia is going to have a censorshop process then there should be an incication that this is a policy. Thanks ( Boss Reality ( talk) 09:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC))