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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Richard M. Dolan
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This WP:FRINGEBLP seems to be about a publisher who is a talking head for various WP:SENSATIONAList outlets including brain-dead cable TV programs and his own vanity press. Does not seem to have generated the independent notice we would need for a standalone biography. jps ( talk) 19:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination; the notice is coming from inside the bubble. XOR'easter ( talk) 19:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: I've found these references; the higher-quality (= more in-depth, more reputable) refs are listed first. Not a whole lot of in-depth coverage, but he has received attention in mainstream outlets like The New Yorker and CBC News. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
References
- ^ "UFO sleuth Richard Dolan visits Thunder Bay". CBC News. 2014-07-09.
- ^ Kolbert, Elizabeth (2019-04-15). "What's New About Conspiracy Theories?". The New Yorker.
- ^ Bookman, Todd (2017-09-02). "Roswell of the East? UFO Festival Draws In Believers, Skeptics". New Hampshire Public Radio.
- ^ Knapp, George (2020-02-06). "UFO intrigue, and the 'leak of the century' — an interview with Richard Dolan". KRON-TV. Retrieved 2020-07-24.
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^ Banias, MJ (2019-11-04).
"The Army Told Us Why It Partnered With Tom DeLonge's UFO Group".
Vice. Retrieved 2020-07-24.
Author and popular UFO historian Richard Dolan told Motherboard that it is irresponsible to 'throw cold water' on this before any results come in. 'True skepticism doesn't equate into reflexive debunking, but an honest inquiry into the data,' Dolan stated. 'What is obvious is that this announcement would have been considered astonishing as little as two years ago. The fact that the U.S. military is interested in this should cause us to become more attentive to what exactly is going on. Therefore, I'd say "close attention" rather than caution is the order of the day.'
- ^ Bender, Jim (2016-06-19). "UFO researchers seek gov't 'truths'". Winnipeg Sun.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by AleatoryPonderings ( talk • contribs) 22:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment For readers coming via Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Oxford/Article alerts I have deleted the claim to be an Oxford alumnus as (1) the course described seems to be the History, Politics & Society Summer School rather than a degree course of the University of Oxford, and (2) there's no source for the claim that he attended even this course. Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 10:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Self-published author and crankosphere talking head, but there is no substantive reality-based coverage form which we can write a neutral biography (i.e. one that puts his claims into the context of their objective merit). Guy ( help!) 22:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep – he's a pretty prolific writer in the UFOlogy space. One would not expect to find sources putting his claims into the context of objective merit. Dicklyon ( talk) 23:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep – As article creator and per the refs Mr. Jones posts above. Whatever one thinks of Dolan's views and contentions, he is clearly notable, and worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.
Jusdafax (
talk) 12:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Those references were provided by AleatoryPonderings not by me, though it wasn't obvious as they didn't sign (I have now added a signature). Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 13:14, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:BASIC. Coverage in reliable sources is scant, and is almost entirely non-biographical. As prolific as he is, one would think that WP:AUTHOR might come into play. As far as I can tell, mainstream sources have not really taken much notice of his books. - MrX 🖋 12:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No in-depth coverage of either his biography or his published works. No indication of impact either. Dimadick ( talk) 11:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The biographical details are sourced to Godlike Productions interview and the subject’s LinkedIn page. The rest of the article just lists taking head and UFO festival appearances. No reliable sources are actually writing about him or his work, or analyzing or commenting on the extraordinary claims contained in it. From this, we cannot a BLP make. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 13:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Lack of significant independant coverage to be notable at this time. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 09:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV; sourced entirely to blogs, various social media, and a single interview in local media. Borderline spam. Bearian ( talk) 19:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Richard M. Dolan
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This WP:FRINGEBLP seems to be about a publisher who is a talking head for various WP:SENSATIONAList outlets including brain-dead cable TV programs and his own vanity press. Does not seem to have generated the independent notice we would need for a standalone biography. jps ( talk) 19:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. jps ( talk) 19:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. jps ( talk) 19:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. jps ( talk) 19:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination; the notice is coming from inside the bubble. XOR'easter ( talk) 19:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: I've found these references; the higher-quality (= more in-depth, more reputable) refs are listed first. Not a whole lot of in-depth coverage, but he has received attention in mainstream outlets like The New Yorker and CBC News. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
References
- ^ "UFO sleuth Richard Dolan visits Thunder Bay". CBC News. 2014-07-09.
- ^ Kolbert, Elizabeth (2019-04-15). "What's New About Conspiracy Theories?". The New Yorker.
- ^ Bookman, Todd (2017-09-02). "Roswell of the East? UFO Festival Draws In Believers, Skeptics". New Hampshire Public Radio.
- ^ Knapp, George (2020-02-06). "UFO intrigue, and the 'leak of the century' — an interview with Richard Dolan". KRON-TV. Retrieved 2020-07-24.
-
^ Banias, MJ (2019-11-04).
"The Army Told Us Why It Partnered With Tom DeLonge's UFO Group".
Vice. Retrieved 2020-07-24.
Author and popular UFO historian Richard Dolan told Motherboard that it is irresponsible to 'throw cold water' on this before any results come in. 'True skepticism doesn't equate into reflexive debunking, but an honest inquiry into the data,' Dolan stated. 'What is obvious is that this announcement would have been considered astonishing as little as two years ago. The fact that the U.S. military is interested in this should cause us to become more attentive to what exactly is going on. Therefore, I'd say "close attention" rather than caution is the order of the day.'
- ^ Bender, Jim (2016-06-19). "UFO researchers seek gov't 'truths'". Winnipeg Sun.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by AleatoryPonderings ( talk • contribs) 22:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment For readers coming via Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Oxford/Article alerts I have deleted the claim to be an Oxford alumnus as (1) the course described seems to be the History, Politics & Society Summer School rather than a degree course of the University of Oxford, and (2) there's no source for the claim that he attended even this course. Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 10:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Self-published author and crankosphere talking head, but there is no substantive reality-based coverage form which we can write a neutral biography (i.e. one that puts his claims into the context of their objective merit). Guy ( help!) 22:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep – he's a pretty prolific writer in the UFOlogy space. One would not expect to find sources putting his claims into the context of objective merit. Dicklyon ( talk) 23:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep – As article creator and per the refs Mr. Jones posts above. Whatever one thinks of Dolan's views and contentions, he is clearly notable, and worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.
Jusdafax (
talk) 12:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Those references were provided by AleatoryPonderings not by me, though it wasn't obvious as they didn't sign (I have now added a signature). Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 13:14, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:BASIC. Coverage in reliable sources is scant, and is almost entirely non-biographical. As prolific as he is, one would think that WP:AUTHOR might come into play. As far as I can tell, mainstream sources have not really taken much notice of his books. - MrX 🖋 12:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No in-depth coverage of either his biography or his published works. No indication of impact either. Dimadick ( talk) 11:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The biographical details are sourced to Godlike Productions interview and the subject’s LinkedIn page. The rest of the article just lists taking head and UFO festival appearances. No reliable sources are actually writing about him or his work, or analyzing or commenting on the extraordinary claims contained in it. From this, we cannot a BLP make. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 13:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Lack of significant independant coverage to be notable at this time. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 09:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV; sourced entirely to blogs, various social media, and a single interview in local media. Borderline spam. Bearian ( talk) 19:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.