The result was Speedy Keep. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 22:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC) reply
This is the recreation of an article deleted mere days ago. It is an enlarged mish-mash of synthesis and misattribution of reliable sources ammalgamated with unreliable accounts of fringe views, ghost hunters and paranormalists. Kudos to the authors for trying really hard to make this look like an article, but the topic itself is inherently non-notable. At most the sources document that Alcatraz has a spooky atmosphere. Spooky does not equal haunted. An alternative to deletion would be to move the article to a neutral, non-weasel word title, such as Alcatraz legends and refocus accordingly. That would be a different, and possibly acceptable, article. Jehochman Talk 13:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Yes, good point. Legends of Alcatraz I'd accept (and have moved, hope this is OK with the nom) and the island has a long history of superstition. It would definitely be made more encyclopedic if somebody could find those JSTOR sources and expand it with that. But the article in no way tries to claim ghosts exist. But a lot of people have reported and made claims about it in a lot of sources so documenting it in my opinion makes it notable. I believe I've done so neutrally using terms like "alleged" and "reputed" to write it without ever making it anything more than claims. I think you'd be surprised how many people would come here looking for information on it and would be interested in reading it. I have said that the National Park service have dismissed it as ridiculous, it's not as if we're treating the actual haunting as fact. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy Keep. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 22:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC) reply
This is the recreation of an article deleted mere days ago. It is an enlarged mish-mash of synthesis and misattribution of reliable sources ammalgamated with unreliable accounts of fringe views, ghost hunters and paranormalists. Kudos to the authors for trying really hard to make this look like an article, but the topic itself is inherently non-notable. At most the sources document that Alcatraz has a spooky atmosphere. Spooky does not equal haunted. An alternative to deletion would be to move the article to a neutral, non-weasel word title, such as Alcatraz legends and refocus accordingly. That would be a different, and possibly acceptable, article. Jehochman Talk 13:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Yes, good point. Legends of Alcatraz I'd accept (and have moved, hope this is OK with the nom) and the island has a long history of superstition. It would definitely be made more encyclopedic if somebody could find those JSTOR sources and expand it with that. But the article in no way tries to claim ghosts exist. But a lot of people have reported and made claims about it in a lot of sources so documenting it in my opinion makes it notable. I believe I've done so neutrally using terms like "alleged" and "reputed" to write it without ever making it anything more than claims. I think you'd be surprised how many people would come here looking for information on it and would be interested in reading it. I have said that the National Park service have dismissed it as ridiculous, it's not as if we're treating the actual haunting as fact. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC) reply