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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 00:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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This article was written by sockpuppet of User:Rachitrali please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Akbaralighazi/Archive , this article is written about him based on resources he left on internet. Mjbmr ( talk) 14:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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I have not written this article. This article is written by some wikipedian. I have no relation to the Writer of this article. please remove the deletion log- - Rachitrali (talk) 07:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have not written this article. This article is written by some wikipedian. I have no relation to the Writer of this article. please remove the deletion log- - Rachitrali ( talk) 07:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- This originally contained a header titled "Request for Undelete" that was messing up the way the nomination was showing up in the AfD archives, so I've removed it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Mjbmr, the sockmaster for this appears to be Akbaralighazi and you've listed Rachitrali as a suspected sockpuppet at this investigation. There have been other editors that have edited the article since its creation in 2012 ( Bgwhite, Hamneto, Salamurai) so it may be better to argue for deletion based on criteria other than sockpuppetry. Some of the editors I've mentioned edited the article quite extensively and while these were undone by confirmed socks, this doesn't make it a clean delete on that basis alone. There is a decent assertion of notability here so it would be better to clean the article up to remove promotional content or any WP:PUFFERY than to delete it outright due to sockpuppetry. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Tokyogirl79 Do you mind checking the resources too? Is he even notable? Mjbmr ( talk) 06:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Tokyogirl. It was written several years ago and has been edited since then. Sockpuppetry is no longer a reason to delete. A brief look at the sources (some are not reliable) looks like he is notable. Bgwhite ( talk) 06:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Many of the sources are pretty poor and the only one that appears to be remotely usable is this one by the Pamir Times. (I can't find any sort of proof of editorial oversight so even that source is dubious.) There are, however, some pretty big claims in the article that would make for a valid assertion of notability if they can be backed up to prove that they are as major as they claim, like the national award. Now if you can prove that he isn't notable then that would help prevent recreation of the article if the consensus is to delete. (See WP:G4) However in order to prove he is non-notable you will have to show that the awards he received were not major enough to give partial or complete notability and that his coverage in the news (or other reliable sources) was so trivial that it can't be considered reliable. For example, if he was brought on to a show to comment on something else then that would not be considered something that would give notability. However if he was brought on to talk about something that he did (ie, himself and his specific work) then that would count for notability as long as the source is reliable. A blog source would not show notability. It doesn't help that this guy has spammed the Internet with various blog claims ( like this one that claims that he received a major award from Wikipedia but actually just received a barnstar), but there are some sources out there that do show that there may be more coverage in one of the non-English languages spoken in Pakistan. ( [1], [2], [3]) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- If you follow wikidata item d:Q3240863, you can check creation user and creation time and delete log of each article on each wiki, for example check delete log in Persian Wikipedia, I actually reported that back in 2011 to Mardetanha when there was no such a resource about him, most resource are for 2012 now. Then Mardetanha created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rehmat Aziz Chitrali ( delete log) then he created the article in a different title, or check creation user on Arabic Wikipedia, it's even himself not his socks. Recently he also tried to join language committee of Wikimedia by referring to what he is based on this article ( archive log). Mjbmr ( talk) 07:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 00:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- Rehmat Aziz ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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This article was written by sockpuppet of User:Rachitrali please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Akbaralighazi/Archive , this article is written about him based on resources he left on internet. Mjbmr ( talk) 14:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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I have not written this article. This article is written by some wikipedian. I have no relation to the Writer of this article. please remove the deletion log- - Rachitrali (talk) 07:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have not written this article. This article is written by some wikipedian. I have no relation to the Writer of this article. please remove the deletion log- - Rachitrali ( talk) 07:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- This originally contained a header titled "Request for Undelete" that was messing up the way the nomination was showing up in the AfD archives, so I've removed it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Mjbmr, the sockmaster for this appears to be Akbaralighazi and you've listed Rachitrali as a suspected sockpuppet at this investigation. There have been other editors that have edited the article since its creation in 2012 ( Bgwhite, Hamneto, Salamurai) so it may be better to argue for deletion based on criteria other than sockpuppetry. Some of the editors I've mentioned edited the article quite extensively and while these were undone by confirmed socks, this doesn't make it a clean delete on that basis alone. There is a decent assertion of notability here so it would be better to clean the article up to remove promotional content or any WP:PUFFERY than to delete it outright due to sockpuppetry. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Tokyogirl79 Do you mind checking the resources too? Is he even notable? Mjbmr ( talk) 06:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Tokyogirl. It was written several years ago and has been edited since then. Sockpuppetry is no longer a reason to delete. A brief look at the sources (some are not reliable) looks like he is notable. Bgwhite ( talk) 06:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- Many of the sources are pretty poor and the only one that appears to be remotely usable is this one by the Pamir Times. (I can't find any sort of proof of editorial oversight so even that source is dubious.) There are, however, some pretty big claims in the article that would make for a valid assertion of notability if they can be backed up to prove that they are as major as they claim, like the national award. Now if you can prove that he isn't notable then that would help prevent recreation of the article if the consensus is to delete. (See WP:G4) However in order to prove he is non-notable you will have to show that the awards he received were not major enough to give partial or complete notability and that his coverage in the news (or other reliable sources) was so trivial that it can't be considered reliable. For example, if he was brought on to a show to comment on something else then that would not be considered something that would give notability. However if he was brought on to talk about something that he did (ie, himself and his specific work) then that would count for notability as long as the source is reliable. A blog source would not show notability. It doesn't help that this guy has spammed the Internet with various blog claims ( like this one that claims that he received a major award from Wikipedia but actually just received a barnstar), but there are some sources out there that do show that there may be more coverage in one of the non-English languages spoken in Pakistan. ( [1], [2], [3]) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- If you follow wikidata item d:Q3240863, you can check creation user and creation time and delete log of each article on each wiki, for example check delete log in Persian Wikipedia, I actually reported that back in 2011 to Mardetanha when there was no such a resource about him, most resource are for 2012 now. Then Mardetanha created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rehmat Aziz Chitrali ( delete log) then he created the article in a different title, or check creation user on Arabic Wikipedia, it's even himself not his socks. Recently he also tried to join language committee of Wikimedia by referring to what he is based on this article ( archive log). Mjbmr ( talk) 07:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.