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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 12:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non notable housing development in Hong Kong. De-PROD because it has the "largest swimming pool". Tagged for notability since 2009. Donaldd23 ( talk) 13:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC) reply

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford ( talk) 14:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. "【地產話當年】藍澄2003年低價開售掀認購潮" [[Real estate back then] Rambler Crest in 2003 launched a low-price sale to start a subscription wave]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2018-10-08. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     From Google Translate: "Rambler Crest, developed by Hutchison Properties, is the largest private housing estate in the area after Villa Esplanade and the Prestige Peninsula. ... The successful opening of the project attracted the attention of the market. Together with the developers’ efforts in payment methods such as mortgage percentage and second mortgage, the project became popular. During the first round of internal public subscription, more than 600 prospective buyers were waiting to subscribe under the rain."

  2. "青衣藍澄灣　主打中小型單位 自製相連戶　享開揚美景" [Rambler Crest, Tsing Yi: Mainly small and medium-sized units. Homemade connected houses. Enjoy the open view]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2010-08-13. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     From Google Translate: "Rambler Crest, the youngest private housing estate in Tsing Yi, although it has to go in and out by car, it wins because of its environment. [paragraph about the units in the housing estate] ... The 7-year-old Rambler Crest is composed of 5 buildings, mainly with two-bedroom units of more than 600 square feet. ...Rambler Crest has a clubhouse for residents, providing a fitness room, a steam bath, a children’s playroom, and a reading room. Among them, the 200-meter-long outdoor swimming pool is especially advertised. However, the recreational facilities must be shared with long-term tenants of the nearby hotel."

  3. "武漢肺炎︱青衣藍澄灣屋苑內酒店明起作等候檢測中心 居民貼反對標語抗議" [Wuhan coronavirus︱The hotel in the Rambler Crest Estate in Tsing Yi will be a waiting test center tomorrow. Residents posted opposition slogans to protest]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2020-10-18. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     From Google Translate: "Rambler Plaza Tsing Yi is located in Rambler Crest, and the Rambler Crest Shopping Centre is downstairs. There are Rambler Plaza Hotel, Rambler Garden Hotel and Winland 800 Hotel in the housing estate. It is about 100 meters away from Block 6, and guests must pass through the estate to enter and exit the hotel. In addition, the hotel has used materials to cover the lobby glass today for unknown reasons."

  4. 陳霄澤 (2016-09-29). "發展商借灰色地帶出售　藍澄灣中伏住戶：中產是無意義的虛名" [Developers use the grey area to sell. Rambler Crest: middle class is a meaningless name] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     From Google Translate: "Rambler Crest residents feel the same, protesting against the government's use of public housing residents as 'human barriers'".

  5. "藍澄灣 可任意打通" [Rambler Crest: can be opened at will]. The Sun (in Chinese). 2011-10-12. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     From Google Translate: "Rambler Crest is a second-tier housing estate in the same district. It is small in scale. It provides 5 buildings with a total of 1,585 units. The housing estates are highly flexible."

  6. Kwok, Nicole (2003-06-06). "Hutch cuts Tsing Yi units by 30 per cent". Hong Kong iMail. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     The article notes that Rambler Crest is a "joint development" between Hutchison Whampoa Property and Cheung Kong (Holdings).

  7. Kong, Ernest (2004-10-27). "Serviced units will be the last offered to individual buyers". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     The article notes that according to SK Pang Surveyors head Pang Shiu-kee, "a typical example was Hutchison Whampoa's Rambler Crest, next to Container Terminal No 9 in Tsing Yi, where there is heavy traffic even at night". The article notes, "Hutchison released the first batch of units at Rambler Crest for sale in June last year at an exceptionally low price of about $1,700 per square foot.Although the price has risen to more than $2,000 per square foot, Rambler Crest is still cheaper than other projects in Tsing Yi."

  8. Ko, Kenneth (2003-06-12). "JP Morgan bearish on developers". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     The article notes, "Property analyst Raymond Ngai said Hutchison Whampoa's discount pricing at its Rambler Crest project in Tsing Yi might trigger a price war as urban properties were selling at New Territories prices. ... Projects in the New Territories would be affected most by the discount sale at Rambler Crest due to their weaker pricing power."

  9. Eng, Dennis (2003-06-12). "Flat prices tipped to fall 15pc amid fierce competition". Hong Kong iMail. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

     The article notes about a JPMorgan report, "Among them, Cheung Kong Holdings had its earnings forecast for 2003 and 2004 revised down by 10.2 per cent and 61.7 per cent, respectively, due to possible lower selling prices for projects such as Rambler Crest on Tsing Yi and Caribbean Coast Phase 2 in Tung Chung. 'Rambler Crest's discount pricing may trigger a new price war as properties in urban areas are selling at New Territories prices,' the report said, pointing out that only two-fifths of the property had been sold so far despite discounts of between 10 per cent and 15 per cent. JPMorgan warned that Rambler Crest could put further downward pressure on selling prices by other developers."

  10. "Weekend flat sales best for 7 months". Hong Kong iMail. 2003-06-09. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

      The article notes, "At the weekend, Hutchison Whampoa's Rambler Crest at Tsing Yi was in the spotlight, selling 200 units over the two days, and attracting 35,000 show-flat visitors yesterday alone."

  11. Thomas, Nick (2003-06-07). "Developers' discounts intensify price war". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

      The article notes, "New World Development and Henderson Land Development yesterday cut the price of units at the Tung Chung project, Seaview Crescent, on Lantau by 10 per cent to compete with Hutchison's Rambler Crest sale. ... The price-cut sale came after Hutchison released the first 12 units at Rambler Crest for public sale at $1,688 per square foot, more than 20 per cent below neighbouring projects."

  12. Kwok, Nicole (2003-11-13). "Developers raise prices as outlook brightens". Hong Kong iMail. Archived from the original on 2021-02-20. Retrieved 2021-02-20.

      The article notes, "About 1,300 apartments at Rambler Crest have been sold for a total of about HK$2.3 billion. The average price was about HK$2,400 per square foot."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Rambler Crest to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard ( talk) 00:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep. This housing property is a notable case in Hong Kong. It is not about the longest swimming pool. The proposer's claim that "Non notable housing development in Hong Kong" is totally wrong and does not following well on the guidelines about AfD. There are some reasons making this property particularly notable in Hong Kong.
  1. This residential housing is adjacent to a large container port which violates the city planning.
  2. The government only allowed its developer to build hotels.
  3. The developer built hotels and resold the individual flats of several blocks to public. Part of hotel project became a residential one.
  4. This residential development is hotel in nature and does not follow the regulation on residential housing such as fire regulations.
  5. The residential housing shares recreation and amenity facilities with hotels. This is problematic on the government policy enforcement against Covid-19 and residents protests against the enforcement.
  6. It is the first case in Hong Kong and some other development projects soon follows.
  7. Geographically, it is the home of several thousand inhibitants under legally identifiable area and is naturally considered notable.

— HenryLi ( Talk) 00:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep article needs some cleanup, but the subject looks notable. SportingFlyer T· C 02:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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