The result was Keep. This is a procedural closing; the nominator withdrew. Darkspots ( talk) 02:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC) reply
Requesting Deletion
I am not convinced that Raghu Ram meets any of the following criteria for creative professionals.
Perhaps the statements I made might become false if Roadies continues for another 10 or so years, but at the moment, I do not believe that Raghu can have a wikipedia entry just because he is executive producer of a fairly successful TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pramod.s ( talk • contribs) 2008/05/25 09:25:38
Strong keep: Let me answer the objections one by one:
The necessary tags have been placed on the page and i believe we shd give it enough time to evolve into a proper article. Gprince007 ( talk) 11:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC) reply
Reply to Gprince007
I reiterate. I am not convinced about him having an article just because he is an executive producer. Being executive produce by itself does not establish notability. How many other executive producers do we have on wikipedia? I don't see any articles about the producers of, say, Baa Bahoo Aur Baby. Are you suggesting that in the long run we're going to have articles about the producers/directors for each of these serials? What about about other producers who work at MTV? Surely Raghu is not the only one. I find it hard to believe that we want articles about everybody who produced a TV show at some point on Indian TV.
My point is, Raghu's claim to notability is not his job as executive producer, but that he appears on the show frequently. I think we should have a higher bar than just folks who come on TV often. I also believe that the criteria for notability with their emphasis on citations from peers and successors as well as independent reviewers are an attempt to establish this higher bar.
Pramod.s( talk) Pramod 19:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC) reply
You asked "How many other executive producers do we have on wikipedia?".....the answer is Fred Barron, Larry David, George Shapiro, Jerry Seinfeld, Tina Fey, Joann Alfano and many many more....all the above mentioned ppl are executive producers of famous TV serials. MTV Roadies completed it 5 seasons is probably up for its 6th season....Therefore Raghu being an executive producer of famous indian reality show deserves an article of its own. Baa Bahoo Aur Baby may not be a TRP hit or its Executive producer may not be well known...but Raghu is well known and also the producer of many other programs on MTV. As for other producers on MTV, they might not be as famous as Raghu....if they are then u can create an article for them too....I just wanna say that many executive producers have their own articles and Raghu also deserves the same....The necessary tags have been placed on the page and i believe we shd give it enough time to evolve into a proper article. Thnx... Gprince007 ( talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply
Pramod.s( talk) Pramod 14:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC) reply
Withdrawing Request for Deletion Since nobody else has turned up supporting the deletion cause, and Gprince007 and Shahab are both saying we should keep the article, I'm going to go and remove the deletion tag from the page. Pramod.s( talk) Pramod 19:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC) reply
The result was Keep. This is a procedural closing; the nominator withdrew. Darkspots ( talk) 02:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC) reply
Requesting Deletion
I am not convinced that Raghu Ram meets any of the following criteria for creative professionals.
Perhaps the statements I made might become false if Roadies continues for another 10 or so years, but at the moment, I do not believe that Raghu can have a wikipedia entry just because he is executive producer of a fairly successful TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pramod.s ( talk • contribs) 2008/05/25 09:25:38
Strong keep: Let me answer the objections one by one:
The necessary tags have been placed on the page and i believe we shd give it enough time to evolve into a proper article. Gprince007 ( talk) 11:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC) reply
Reply to Gprince007
I reiterate. I am not convinced about him having an article just because he is an executive producer. Being executive produce by itself does not establish notability. How many other executive producers do we have on wikipedia? I don't see any articles about the producers of, say, Baa Bahoo Aur Baby. Are you suggesting that in the long run we're going to have articles about the producers/directors for each of these serials? What about about other producers who work at MTV? Surely Raghu is not the only one. I find it hard to believe that we want articles about everybody who produced a TV show at some point on Indian TV.
My point is, Raghu's claim to notability is not his job as executive producer, but that he appears on the show frequently. I think we should have a higher bar than just folks who come on TV often. I also believe that the criteria for notability with their emphasis on citations from peers and successors as well as independent reviewers are an attempt to establish this higher bar.
Pramod.s( talk) Pramod 19:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC) reply
You asked "How many other executive producers do we have on wikipedia?".....the answer is Fred Barron, Larry David, George Shapiro, Jerry Seinfeld, Tina Fey, Joann Alfano and many many more....all the above mentioned ppl are executive producers of famous TV serials. MTV Roadies completed it 5 seasons is probably up for its 6th season....Therefore Raghu being an executive producer of famous indian reality show deserves an article of its own. Baa Bahoo Aur Baby may not be a TRP hit or its Executive producer may not be well known...but Raghu is well known and also the producer of many other programs on MTV. As for other producers on MTV, they might not be as famous as Raghu....if they are then u can create an article for them too....I just wanna say that many executive producers have their own articles and Raghu also deserves the same....The necessary tags have been placed on the page and i believe we shd give it enough time to evolve into a proper article. Thnx... Gprince007 ( talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply
Pramod.s( talk) Pramod 14:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC) reply
Withdrawing Request for Deletion Since nobody else has turned up supporting the deletion cause, and Gprince007 and Shahab are both saying we should keep the article, I'm going to go and remove the deletion tag from the page. Pramod.s( talk) Pramod 19:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC) reply